http://www.ius.edu/studentaffairs/article/grievance
"Please note that in accordance with federal regulations, IU Southeast is
required to share summary information about complaints with its accrediting
agency, the Higher Learning Commission, as part of the reaccreditation process.
Individual identities of those who have filed a complaint will not be provided."
I also asked for my name not to be redacted so that I could be contacted.
Between this first email, and the vice chancellor's response, it takes more than
a month (7/11/2011-8/16/2011) before he responds, for what should have been as
simple as a secretary walking over to a filing cabinet or typing into their
workstation to figure out if it was on file or not. Also note, they never really
say when it was filed: When I first put it in, or only after almost two years
had gone by. The vice chancellor also misspelled the professor's name, I hope
it's filed correctly and can be found when someone looks for it. I asked many
times for when the dean filed it with him, but never got a direct answer. When I
pointed out policy that indicated a time table for them to respond to my
grievance with an outcome, and that the dean never did, the vice chancellor of
academic affairs points out that the policy I found is old and points me to a
new policy that is just a flowchart with little detail. He also said they are
working on taking down the policy that had details. I'm not exactly sure how the
vice chancellor of academic affairs can say "It's my understanding that Dean
White did not ignore your grievance, but that he investigated and resolved it,
albeit not in the way you had hoped." when the dean never got back to me on
taking the class elsewhere and other matters such as seeing my test again.
17. Before leaving IUS I asked a secretary to retrieve a copy of my "student
file" so I could look at it to see what is in it exactly, when my grievance may
have been filed, and if they even bothered to put in my response. I was told it
would take a bit of time to get it from the data vault as it was not on hand in
the office, and I could see it the next week when it came in. All of a sudden, I
get a call from the MBA program director and I'm told I'm having a meeting I never
asked for, I just wanted the records. The MBA director did not really give me an
option, but just said there was a meeting, even after I told him there was no
need for one. The director did not say who the meeting was with, but it seemed
to be at least the dean and the MBA director based on what was said later. Are
they allowed to dictate the venue in which a student views his own records? As
it turns out, they canceled the meeting after they found out I had also
requested records through IU legal, and now it is in IU legal's hands to get me
my student file (which they have done). When I got my file, my version of events
was not in it. This is further evidence that they just don't care about
what a student says, only listening to the professors' skewed side. It's also
technically a FERPA violation as I outline towards the bottom of this page, but
for what I have seen FERPA has no teeth as the FPCO is unresponsive to student
complaints and inquiries. Strangely, though my version of events was not
in my file, a print out of the garbled Oncourse post I made because of copying
and pasting from MS Word was. Why? Did they think it was an XSS attack or
something? It just seems so silly.
18. In the emails between
Jay White and Gill Atnip I received from my open records request I find out
other factors about their handling of the situation. Jay White indicates to Gil
Atnip that he (Jay) was not the person the grievance was supposed to go to,
despite Jay White telling me I had to bring it to Jay White (proof in emails
below). So, Jay White tells me one thing about who I should file with, then
later tries to shirk responsibility by indicating I was wrong to bring the
signed grievance to Jay White, when it was Jay White himself who told me to
bring the signed grievance to Jay White (sorry, had to avoid pronouns to avoid
confusion). Jay also lied (or
misremembered?) about all sorts of things, such as: when I filed the grievance,
when I filed vs. when we had our meeting, when we had our meeting vs. when he
made his decisions, why I brought him a signed copy, that I withdrew from the
program and that I agreed to that resolution, etc. Jay also gave a straw man version
of what my complaint was about, and got the order of events wrong concerning when I started
to complain about Linda's treatment. Jay says my rights were not
violated because I was allowed to express my views, totally missing the point
that I got an 0 in class participation because of expressing them. This is like
a cop saying that someone's right to free speech was not violated because they
got to say something, then the cop hits the speaker over the head with a billy
club because they did not like what was said. I got to see Jay's "investigation"
notes, which read more like justifications to make the decisions that were
easiest on him, faculty, and the administration. Jay White calls someone
"combative and obstructive" for trying to help me figure out my due process
rights, and seems to have an instructor is always right attitude. Even though I
state multiple times before his investigation that Linda gave no clear
instruction that the subject of unethical laws were not to be discussed, and I
did not take much time, Jay took Linda's word as gospel giving me no benefit of
the doubt. While Jay White gives lip service to student rights, all it takes is
for the professor to say you were being disruptive, with no other evidence, to
throw out any of your rights as outlined in the student code of conduct. Gil Atnip even said in one email that I
might be trying to "put one over" on them when
I Googled for policy that made his job harder (see emails below, apparently it
was old policy left on the site and the administration has been working for some
time to reduce the student grievance policy down to just a flowcart). It was
far from a fair and impartial mediation. Apparently the IU lawyer that dealt
with my case/request for records felt that Jay
White's incomplete initial response from before I brought over the signed copy
of the grievance form
was enough. The IU lawyer ignored the fact that even Jay indicated in an email to me after
the signed filing that the grievance process was still ongoing and some decisions (like
being able to take the class elsewhere) would have to wait until after the
process had finished. He never let the process finish, Jay just led me to
believe it was still ongoing and then dropped it without telling me so I never
even knew to appeal
until it was too late to matter. Even though
Jay White never got back to me
after the official filing and meeting, and their previous emails only partially addressed my
concerns, the IU lawyer had nerve to refer to all this as "due process"
and say "It is my understanding that you did not then appeal the grievance
further" when they never let me know the grievance was in a stopped state so I
would know I had to appeal.
Supposedly my grievance against Linda
Christiansen is on file now, but somehow I doubt it is anywhere where it would
help other students by establishing a pattern to her behavior.
I've tried to contact people
at IUS to fix these problems, but it seems no one is interested unless it
directly affects them. Now the
people at IUS either won't respond to my emails, or respond with a copy and paste message
that tells me to contact IU counsel, but my contacts at IU counsel won't respond to my emails
either.
I'd like to chalk it up to one bad professor (Linda), but Bingham's lack of
regard for policy and White's one-sidedness to the grievance makes me look on
the academic honor of the whole IUS MBA program unfavorably. Hopefully if they
ever read this they will take it constructively as it was intended, and as a
form of guidance to point out the gaps between their current behaviors and the
expectations of a student.
More information is in the docs below, which are far more damning in my opinion than
what I said above. I have left in my typos, along with those of the
faculty/admins involved so as to not be accused of changing things.
Things to learn for others filing academic grievances:
Proofread your documents, or better yet have someone else do it. It's easy to
read in your head what you thought you wrote, but not what you really put down.
It becomes much easier for people to dismiss your points when you have
grammar/spelling errors, even if your points are logically valid. I also find
that It becomes
harder to proofread accurately when you are irritated.
The only editing I have done to the documents below is to remove some white
space and mail client add-ons for formatting, obscured email addresses so people do not get spammed,
fixed character encoding issues and
removed the names of some of the people I emailed who would not want to be
involved. I kept the file names in the titles as that is how I submitted them.
Grievances against Linda Christiansen.docx
This file contains the main body of the grievance.
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Grievances against Professor Linda Christiansen
First I'd like to
state that before this class I considered Professor Christiansen a
friend and colleague. We got along fine in my first accounting
class; I have consulted her on tax law matters and she has consulted
me on technical matters. The attack I received on September 30th was
quite unexpected. I am not sure why or when she developed such a
bias toward me. Attached is a document given to me by Professor
Christiansen and Jon Bingham at a meeting held September 30, 2009.
My comments are also attached. My grievances are as follows:
1. My character has been defamed by a document put into my student
file. Referring to a student as "anti-law and anti-ethics" does not
seem appropriate merely because the student respectfully disagrees
with you. To quote the IU student code:
http://www.iu.edu/~code/code/rights/education/index.shtml:
Students should
"have the freedom to raise relevant issues pertaining to classroom
discussion (including personal and political beliefs), offer
reasonable doubts about data presented, and express alternative
opinions without concern for any academic penalty. Students have the
right to expect that their work will be evaluated by academic
standards alone."
It was stated in the document
(but not in class and never before to me) that I was becoming a
distraction, and was not following the professors' instructions.
This is untrue; no clear sign had been give that the topic
(unethical laws) was no longer to be discussed when it came up again
in class, and I was not doing a filibuster by any means. My estimate
of the time taken from class by my speaking would be about three
minutes or less, and only in short spurts. More time was wasted by
other topics I have outlined in my comments to the document. If
other students carried on the discussion, that is because they found
some aspect of it relevant.
2. Many irrelevancies are listed in the
document, only to cast doubt on me as a student. I do however
believe that these statements by Professor Christiansen help to
illustrate a bias against me that resulted in the low grade for the
midterm and in-class participation. Since class participation is a
large part of the grade, I felt the need to participate. Also,
according to the syllabus, critical thinking is to be taught, which
to me indicates the need to question. If the form of my
participation was seen as a distraction, then the teacher should
have followed the guidelines listed here:
http://institutionalmemory.iu.edu/aim/bitstream/10333/1634/1/DisruptiveStudents%5B1%5D.pdf
"These behaviors are not subject to penalties that can be imposed
due to academic misconduct. Thus, disruption requires alternate
methods of resolution."
"Behaviors such as these (e.g., coming late to class, performing a
repetitive act that is annoying-tapping fingers, chewing gum, or
making a comment in a rude or crude manner, sleeping, reading a
newspaper) can be addressed generally through conventional classroom
management techniques and/or by speaking with a student privately
after class."
Waiting until after a large
file of items the professor found annoying had occurred, and then
springing them on me all at once in front of the director of the MBA
program does not seem appropriate. If my conduct was seen as wrong,
it should have been pointed out to me earlier, not by waiting until
there is one live class session left and telling me the
"Participation grade is currently F – zero".
3. If my conduct is seen as wrong, it should be
brought up to me first, and not to my coworkers who are unrelated to
my student life. Professor Christiansen discussed my classroom
"behavior" to both Nancy Totten and Gabrielle Carr before bringing
it to me at the meeting. This is highly inappropriate and might be a
violation of FERPA.
4. Policy was not followed when setting up the
meeting. Despite asking many times what the meeting was about, I was
not told, so I did not have a chance to prepare a defense for the
accusations (I have e-mail documentation of this.). Also, despite
the fact I brought my own witness to the meeting she was not allowed
to attend; she was told she had to wait outside.
According to the policy statement at
http://www.ius.edu/studentaffairs/CodeProcedures_Part2.cfm?#33,
the following rules were violated (at least) if the conference was
about "Personal Misconduct":
"Written notice of the specific allegations/charges and the date,
time, and location of the scheduled hearing at least five calendar
days prior to the hearing."
"Reasonable access to the case file at least three days prior to and
during the conference. A case file is part of the student's
education record under the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act
of 1974. The personal notes of University staff members are not
included in the case file. The case file will be retained in the
Office of Student Affairs"
"The accused student may bring a supporter (not legal counsel) to
the hearing. The supporter may not participate in the judicial
conference or make statements during the conference."
If it was considered "Academic Misconduct", different rules apply,
but based on
http://www.iu.edu/~code/code/responsibilities/academic/index.shtml
this situation does not
appear at all to be
"Academic Misconduct".
I later asked Jon Bingham what the
nature of the meeting was. He said in an email "The meeting was not
part of a formal process. It was an informal informational
discussion to make you aware of the concerns as outlined in the
printout." If a policy can be bypassed by just saying it is an
informal meeting, then the policy is not really a policy. Also, if
it was an informal meeting, why the following section at the end of
the document?
"This is your final warning. Any other violations of course conduct,
whether violations of
this class, program standards, university standards will results in:
• Referral to and discipline by Vice Chancellor Ruth Garvey-Nix
• Report to the Director of Graduate Programs
• Referral to the School of Business Dean and Graduate Policies
Committee for review
• Further deductions or lack of additions to course grade"
I also asked Professor Christiansen for a digital copy of the
letter, but was refused. There seems to be a lack of willingness to
put things in writing that can be easily reproduced.
5. Because of the
nature of the complaints, I'm afraid to comment in the forums or
speak truthfully in the analysis section for fear that it will
affect my grade. The complaints about my asking questions in the
forum about forum -related problems seems unfair. Because she said
that I am "anti-law and anti-ethics" it makes me doubtful that I can
properly analyze ethical questions from my own perspective or to
play "devil's advocate" without upsetting the professor and lowering
my grade. I feel that this negates the kind of freedom of
expression essential for a class on law and ethics.
6. I was given an F
on the midterm exam. I would like my results compared to others in
the class by someone other than Professor Christiansen. A few other
points that seem to me to demonstrate bias: I was originally told I
could take the test on the 12th, so I could attend a
pre-conference dinner for the ISSA Louisville Infosec Conference.
After the letter from Professor Christiansen I was told I could no
longer take it on the 12, and had to take it before, so it was
scheduled for the 6th. Despite the fact I took it a day
before anyone else and all students I've asked seem to have gotten
their grades back on the 15th, I did not receive my grade
till the 19th. I was not allowed to have a copy of the
test for outside comparison, and Jon Bingham told me it was the
property of the instructor when I asked to keep it. There was a lack
of information given on how she wished the essay questions to be
answered, and all that I had to work with was the exam grading
rubric which I carefully followed.
7. Please see my
comments on the document for other aspersions cast against me.
Relief
Requested: I was given an "F" on the midterm exam. I would like my
results compared to others in the class by someone other than
Professor Christiansen, and the ability to obtain credit for the law
and ethics class elsewhere. I was told by Jon Bingham that I could
not take the class elsewhere but it does not seem fair for me not to
be able to continue on by path to an MBA because of a personality
conflict with an instructor. Also, I wish it to be made clear to
Professor Christiansen that her method of handling this situation
has not been appropriate for a professor, especially one teaching a
course with ethics in the title. I also want the document removed
from my file.
Sincerely,
Adrian Crenshaw
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Paper given at meeting.pdf (not pasted in since it would repeat what I have
below)
As the name suggested, the paper given to me at the meeting. Something I should
have pointed out in my response, Linda could not get the title of my supposedly
offensive posting right.
My Response.docx
Same as above, but with my responses. I decide to just post the combined file.
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Adrian Crenshaw
B516 Meeting
September 30, 2009
Present:
Adrian Crenshaw
Linda Christiansen, B516 Professor
Jon Bingham, Director of Graduate Programs
General Observations
Student's Comments: As I
was not give proper time before the meeting to answer the
allegations, I'm taking this opportunity to do so. I'm not good at
responding verbally while under attack, and my speech impediment
does not help. Text in black is from the original handout given at
the meeting, (but not before, so I had no time to prepare.) Comments
in red are mine, and comments in blue are quotes for cited
documents.
Unacceptable and unprofessional behavior for graduate business
coursework.
Disruptive and damaging to the classroom community and other
students.
Grade concerns and warnings.
Student's
Comments: Opinions of professional behavior vary. Getting the job
done would be my definition, and if you can keep things light-
hearted during the process all the better. I've not heard complaints
from other students about my questions being disruptive, nor have I
complained up until this point about conversations in class
involving shopping for lingerie,the tv show Snapped, or other off
topic items.
Classroom Behavior
• Not staying on topic
Student's
Comments: See comments above. I'd also like to say, I feel that the
subjects I was mentioning may not be in the instructors scope of
expertise, but they seem quite on topic. On the same subject, the
professor should have brought these concerns up with me and not
co-workers we both know. This is not professionally acceptable in a
professor.
• Excessive use of jargon so comments are not beneficial for
students and does
not further classroom discussion and learning
Student's
Comments: I'd like an example, but this seems like a very shallow
nitpick. Evey student has varied work experience, and some terms may
be unknown. The laws I have researched in the past are technology
related, so that may be what the professor is referring to.
• Repeating topics despite professor instruction that topic has
ended - it was
addressed once but student repeated
Student's
Comments: It was not address at all, but merely waved aside. I did
bring it back up when the conversation in class slid back that way.
I did not feel that I was being disruptive, and without a transcript
it would be very subjective to judge. The professor gave no clear
instruction that it has ended.
•
Student asserts and excuses personal and professional anti-law and
anti-ethics
statements and positions in class; not for beneficial class
discussion
Usage of Oncourse Discussion Forums
Student's
Comments: Examples please; just because I don't hold the same values
as the instructor does not mean I'm anti-ethics. As for the anti-law
statements, that interpretation depends on the purpose of the law
and whether or not it is ethical, which is the question the
instructor seemed to have the most problem with. The only purpose of
the above statement seems to be to cast doubt on the student without
stating specifics, and while this is not technically libel it seems
to be in the same vein.
When discussing when something was illegal, but ethical, I gave the
example of in Nazi Germany of how to answer the question "Do you
have Jews in your basement", which is a fairly common thing to bring
up in philosophy class when talking about ethics and the categorical
imperative. I understand the complaint that this is not business
related enough, and could have come up with a better example, but
this is the canonical one. It seems no less related to business
ethics then the long discussion we had in class about the article in
the book discussing the Hindu mystic who was left on the mountain to
possibly die. To say with a wave of the hand that the Nazi example
it is just an extreme, and then not to consider the topic of laws
that are unethical seems like an oversight. I'd also like to point
out this section of the IU Student Code
http://www.iu.edu/~code/code/rights/education/index.shtml:
Have the freedom to raise relevant issues pertaining to classroom
discussion (including personal and political beliefs), offer
reasonable doubts about data presented, and express alternative
opinions without concern for any academic penalty. Students have the
right to expect that their work will be evaluated by academic
standards alone.
At least the above has been violated from
the code, and other items have been broken in spirit.
• The Discussion Forums are graded tools for specific purposes
Student's
Comments: Ok, agreed.
• Posting on September 24 - Inappropriate topic for the Assignment
Tool
Student's
Comments: If you mean me posting a question along the lines of "can
we have another forum to discuss law/ethics topics outside of the
Wall Street Journal", that is fairly common thing to ask in a forum.
If you did not want to, you did not have to. Complaining about this
is petty and irrational.
• Postings regarding missing forum posts - proper communications
would include
email directly to the instructor
Student's
Comments: The answer was of concern to all students in the course,
so asking on the public forum seemed appropriate.
• Posting of Polanski article is a violation of the assignment,
course rules,
professional judgment, and online etiquette
Student's Comments: I respectfully disagree. I've attached the post
in another document, my post dealing with
Polanski and at the time it seemed
quite relevant. No rules broken are cited, nor the specifics of the
online etiquette violation. Professional judgment is an aesthetic,
very flexible item. I related the post to ethics, and I seemed to
recall in class that the teacher would be more impressed with ethics
posts. If the original article does not seem relevant enough to
business for credit, I can accept that as it has been explained to
me since, but I hardly see how it was against rules or etiquette.
o Article was not a business topic, but reported on statutory rape
and
extradition
Student's
Comments: Not in the business section, but I feel I very much tied
it into business. Also, see
case 8.3 in the book labeled "The Glowing Letter of Recommendation
that Forgot to Mention Sexual Misconduct with Minors". Read my
posting and you will see I did cover it from an ethics standpoint.
This sort of thing is discussed in class. Also, we discussed in
class the topic of rap music that seemed to endorse violence, and
the ethics of music producers putting it out. That seems similar to
my Polanski post. That article, starting on page 100, even goes so
far as to quote the lyrics:
Her bodys
beautiful,
so Im thinkin rape
grabbed the bitch by her mouth
slammed her down on the couch.
She begged in a low voice:
"Please don't kill me."
I slit her throat
and watch her shake like on TV
-Geto Boys, "Mind of a Lunatic"
See page 104 of the Ethics Book
If that sort
of thing is discussed in the book, and in class, how can my Polanski
post be "violation of the assignment, course rules, professional
judgment, and online etiquette"? After an explanation of what the
professor was looking for, I can see as how the direct article does
not fill the requirments as I had extended it's to talk about
ethics, but the content can hardly be seen as a "violation of the
assignment, course rules, professional judgment, and online
etiquette" considering the sort of items in the book.
o Title of thread was not the article title ("Polanski to Fight U.S.
Extradition
Request" vs. "Polanski: Picture Producers Protect Pedos")
Student's
Comments:I don't recall it stated that the title of the post had to
match the title of the article. As for my choice in naming, that is
an aesthetic choice, one
the book mirrors with case titles
like:
Making A Basket Case
A Grease Monkey's Uncle, er, Agent
"Reining" Deer at the Local Wal-Mart
Shelf Space Is My Life: Flipping Out over Oreos
Shooting for Payment from a Minor
A Slick Deal by the Olive Oil Agent
Ships and Liability Passing in the Night
Buying Property from the Adams Family: How Scary must it be?
The Artist, The Crayon, And The Contract
Ford to Bette, "Do You Want To Dance"; Bette To Ford, "Not Really?"
Jangling Jewels on the Internet: Can the Court Loop Them In?
Are these considered acceptable considering
the gravity of the subjects covered?
o Title of thread was completely unprofessional and unacceptable
Student's
Comments: See above.
o Focus of discussion was not in application of the course
materials; only
one brief mention of one point at the end, not developed.
Student's
Comments: I disagree, read the posting, but if the teacher had asked
on the post for expansion I would have been glad to. This was one of
the very first posts on the forums, so I did not have much to judge
by. Also, was the same treatment given to the posts
High Court Agrees to Hear
Gun Right Case - Cody Benjamin Wheeler (cbwheele) (Oct 1, 2009 3:57
PM)
which was not at all business related, but
eventually was deleted, but I don't know if Cody got the same
chastisement I did. Then there was this post:
Interracial couple denied marriage
license in La. - Emir Galijatovic (egalijat) (Oct 16, 2009 4:48 PM)
Which did not even come from the Wall Street
Journal, and was also not business related. It was still on the
forums last I saw, and has been there for many days. Miscegenation
laws are one of those types of laws I would refer to as illegal to
break, but ethical. I have archives of these posts if you would like
to see them, and I'm fairly sure I could find others.
o Usage of IMDB.com and
thesmokinggun.com as sources
Chat Room
Student's
Comments: Assuming the topic itself would have been approved of,
this is a nitpick meant to just tack on more complaints. The IMDB
link provides information that the motion picture companies were
still supporting him, and the SmokingGun article had court documents
that shed more light on the case.
• Questions and complaints about class should be directed to
instructor, not chat
room
Student's
Comments: The question/complaint was a question asking what had
happened to the posts after they were deleted. It affected everyone,
and seemed appropriate to ask on the forum.
• Oncourse Tools for coverage of course material and to support
learning
Ethics Question Submission
• Question 1 was absolutely unacceptable
• Question 2 was not well-written, including problems with
punctuation , spelling,
grammar. This is the minimum standard for submissions in a graduate
course.
• Questions 3 and 4 are not questions.
Student's
Comments: The first was an obvious joke, and the email was not meant
to be a final submission (the dead line was a few weeks off).
Considering how people banter in class with examples like:
Shopping for Lingerie
Flowers and boy friends (and what bad things the boyfriend must have
done)
Wedding Dresses
The show Snapped, which as I recall from the discussion involves
women killing their husbands/boyfriends
Dolphin safe tuna
along with
the facts that I have communicated before with the teacher in a
friendly manner about other topics, that she has referred students
to me for technical problems, and considering the generally jovial
nature of communications up until that point, the colloquial nature
seemed appropriate. In hind sight, I should have treated this
instructor more as I would have an unknown professor. If I offended
with my jest I am sorry, but the time to complain or ask for a
change of format would be in the reply email, not to save it up with
many other minor complaints an bring it to the director of the MBA
program. As for questions 2, 3, and 4 they were not meant to be as
formal as a submission email, and when asked I modified them. This
seems like another example of something in this complaint to cast
doubt on the student in the minds of readers of the complaint that
were not there for the event.
Grade Concerns
• Participation grade is currently F - zero
Student's
Comments: Quite unjustified, even if some of the topics were a
little out of field most were not. I do not have a transcript of the
class sessions so I can not point out specifics. I worked it good
faith to add to the class participation as I knew it was part of the
grade. If the professor did not like the way I participated she
should have told me before there was only one live class left.
• At least one violation of the "Online Etiquette" penalty on the
syllabus
Student's Comments: It
has not been shown that there was any violation of
"Online Etiquette". Below is that section of
the syllabus and as you see it is unrelated:
Online
Etiquette
Please be respectful of classmates in the
course of your online posting. You are required to make comments on
the work of your classmates, and often you will have to be
corrective to help in the learning for that student as well as the
other classmates reading the posting. In fact, you will be rewarded
by your grade when you do this in an effective manner. Please make
sure that your comments are respectful and constructive. Any
violation of this rule will be reported to the Vice Chancellor of
Student Affairs, and will result in the reduction of one full letter
grade from your final course grade.
This is your final warning. Any other violations of course conduct,
whether violations of
this class, program standards, university standards will results in:
Student's Comments:This
was my first warning.
• Referral to and discipline by Vice Chancellor Ruth Garvey-Nix
• Report to the Director of Graduate Programs
• Referral to the School of Business Dean and Graduate Policies
Committee for
review
• Further deductions or lack of additions to course grade
A summary of this meeting will be included in student's file.
Student's
Comments: I plan to submit this into the file as well. As was
pointed out in another email, I was not given time to defend myself,
and was denied assess to a fourth party to view the proceedings in
the meeting. I was also denied an electronic copy of the complaint,
but OCR software seems to have done a good job. I approached this
class in the same manner as I have all others in my 17 year academic
carrier, and if my classroom conduct was seen as disruptive it would
have been better to have told me at the time then to save it up for
one large complaint. The class is on law and ethics, so controversy
will naturally ensue from group discussions. Now I feel that my
academic freedoms have been infringed, and I'm fearful to speak up
in class. As the IU student code states:
Have the freedom to raise relevant issues
pertaining to classroom discussion (including personal and political
beliefs), offer reasonable doubts about data presented, and express
alternative opinions without concern for any academic penalty.
Students have the right to expect that their work will be evaluated
by academic standards alone.
and I feel
this has not been honored. While I understand the instructor is in
charge of the course and how it is conducted, I do not believe this
was handled fairly, nor that adequate guidance or warning was given.
Diversity of opinion is a diversity that matters, and the purpose of
an educational program should be to learn--not to make cookie cutter
copies.
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Shouting Gmail - Questions.pdf
Originally I did not have this email in my write-up, but I figured it was good
to show how we had communicated previously. I wonder if this is why she said I
used excessive jargon? Was I making her feel bad because she did not understand
it? Also, when Jay said some of my "posting seemed extremely risqué and
inappropriate" was he also referring to me asking about child porn laws in this
email? Sorry, business law and ethics is more than just tax fraud, and security research
is the business I'm in. Complaining about my typos when she sometimes
writes in all caps seems pretty silly. This email shows some of my participation
in class. It's pretty unethical in my opinion to give someone a 0 in class
participation (without warning) because they brought up some subjects that made
you feel uncomfortable when there were plenty of other on topic items to get
credit for (and I still maintain that my Oncourse posts were also on topic).
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Adrian Crenshaw
<irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:48 PM
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To:
"Christiansen, Linda A" <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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The business in question is my Irongeek.com site, where I
do research and publish articles and videos on security topics. Here
are some ideas for research:
When is expunging data valid to keep
from e-discovery costs, and when would it be considered "destruction of
evidence"? Is having set policy of "records are delete every x
days", or "free hard drive space is wiped nightly" enough?
If one runs a segment an anonymizing network, when and how is it legal to monitor traffic?
While
doing research on anonymizing networks, what is the best policy to
follow concerning inadvertently captured contraband (child porn,
copyright infringing files, etc.)? In the case of child porn, the
authorities should be notified under normal circumstances, but with
anonymizing networks the origin of the files is hard if not impossible
to determine. Would it be correct to just wipe the data after research
on the network is done? As I understand it, even having it on your
hard drive because of peripherally relevant research would be a crime.
Thanks,
Adrian
ps. As a side note, I'm having a hard time
looking at employment law from the perspective of employers. I'd be
interested in knowing more about what extra protections state workers
have over private employees, and how being a student at a university
comes into conflict with being an employee of a university.
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Linda Christiansen
<lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 1:36 PM
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To:
Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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SEE COMMENTS BELOW EACH QUESTION.
On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Adrian Crenshaw wrote:
The business in question is my Irongeek.com site, where I do research
and publish articles and videos on security topics. Here are some ideas
for research:
When is expunging data valid to keep from e-discovery costs, and when
would it be considered "destruction of evidence"? Is having set policy
of "records are delete every x days", or "free hard drive space is
wiped nightly" enough?
GOOD QUESTION. MAKE SURE THAT YOU MAKE THE QUESTION AND THE
RESEARCH BROAD ENOUGH TO HAVE A GOOD SOLID ANSWER AND GET GOOD CREDIT.
If one runs a segment an anonymizing network, when and how is it legal to monitor traffic?
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS IS AND WHETHER THERE WOULD BE LAW ON IT.
AS A RESULT, I CANNOT GUIDE YOU ON WHETHER IT IS A GOOD QUESTION
OR NOT.
While doing research on anonymizing networks, what is the best policy to
follow concerning inadvertently captured contraband (child porn,
copyright infringing files, etc.)? In the case of child porn, the
authorities should be notified under normal circumstances, but with
anonymizing networks the origin of the files is hard if not impossible
to determine. Would it be correct to just wipe the data after research
on the network is done? As I understand it, even having it on your
hard drive because of peripherally relevant research would be a crime.
I UNDERSTAND THIS QUESTION A LITTLE BETTER, AND IT SEEMS TO BE A GOOD
ONE FOR YOU. BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT ENOUGH TO GIVE YOU GUIDANCE
ON HOW IT WILL WORK FOR THIS ASSIGNMENT.
Thanks,
Adrian
ps. As a side note, I'm having a hard time looking at employment law
from the perspective of employers. I'd be interested in knowing more
about what extra protections state workers have over private employees,
and how being a student at a university comes into conflict with being
an employee of a university.
THIS IS ALSO VERY GOOD. YOU SHOULD CONSIDER RESEARCHING THIS!
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Adrian Crenshaw
<irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 2:01 PM
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To:
Linda Christiansen <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING :)
I've looked into the
monitor traffic one a little, and it seems you can if you an ISP and are
doing it for maintenance reasons. If someone is doing it to snoop, then
there are wiretapping laws that cover it. I'll do some more research.
Adrian
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Linda Christiansen
<lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM
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To:
Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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I definitely think you
should do the e-discovery one and the employment law (in the PS)
issues. They would be the best for the project and probably give
you some very good information. |
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Gmail - Ethics Question.pdf
The ethics questions/ideas I submitted for comment, but not a formal submission
for the final question. It is incredibly petty and hypocritical of her to
complain about my typos in something that was not even a final submission when
she had typos in her response to this very same email.
Ethics Question
5 messages
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:42 AM
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To: "Christiansen, Linda A" <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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I'm debating on my ethics question,
but I have three ideas:
1. If you are having an affair with a co-workers spouse,
and they have a hear attack during, is it ok to use
garbage bags from the janitor's closet to dispose of the
body since it's technically a work related expense?
2. What is the ethic of teaching things that can easily
be misused. For example in my home bussiness I teach
people how to do withs that makes it possible to break
into others computers and violate their privacy, but it
also has legitimate pen-test applications.
3. The ethic of full disclosure:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_disclosure
4. Workplace monitoring of computer usage.
Thanks,
Adrian
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| Linda Christiansen <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:58 PM
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Hey Adrian,
1. I think you should probably pass on this
one. And by that, I mean pass on the analysis
and pass on doing any of this.
2. This could work.
3. These is no question here. So if you want
to resubmit with a question, I will review.
4. Same thing. This is just a general topic,
rather than a fact situation with a question.
You might want to wait until we do some practice
to do a final decision on you ethical dilemma.
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:08 PM
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To: Linda Christiansen <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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Okey doke. I'll wait till I see some
of the other analysis.
To phrase 3 and 4 in to form of questions:
3. Is it ethical to reveal the details of a
software/process exploit? On the one hand, it could lead
"bad guys" to know how to attack systems, on the other
revealing the details could help system planers not to
make the same mistake in the future as well as mitigate
current problems.
4. If you think a worker is shirking/doing unethical
things with network resources is it ethical to "spy" on
their activities? What side effects would the monitoring
have?
I'm currently heavily leaning towards question 2.
Thanks,
Adrian
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| Linda Christiansen <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:11 PM
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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I think 2 or 3 are your best options. Question 4
has the potential to be a good legal research
question.
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:16 PM
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To: Linda Christiansen <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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I do have an interest in wiretapping
laws, which is what applies to network sniffing (I've
done a little looking into this in the past). A while
back I made this posting to my blog:
http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=computerlaws/state-hacking-laws
So I already have some stuff to look at. I've also been
looking into it because of my Darknet research (you have
to sniff it to figure out what is going on and what it's
being used for).
Adrian
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Gmail - meeting tomorrow m2.pdf
The set up for the meeting, where I was not given a chance to prepare (please
read about policy violations in the main grievance document, and White's excuses
in his messages to me).
meeting tomorrow
15 messages
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| Linda Christiansen <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:10 PM
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
Cc: Jon Bingham <jebingha(-at-)ius.edu>
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Adrian, Jon Bingham and I need to
meet with you tomorrow (Wednesday). We must have this
meeting before class tomorrow evening. Would you be
available at 1:00? We will be meeting with you in the
Dean's Conference Room in the School of Business office
area.
Linda Christiansen
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| Linda Christiansen <lindachristiansen(-at-)gmail.com>
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Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:14 PM
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To: "irongeek(-at-)gmail.com" <irongeek(-at-)gmail.com>
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Begin forwarded message:
From:
Linda Christiansen <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
Date:
September 29, 2009 5:10:19 PM EDT
To:
Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
Cc:
Jon Bingham <jebingha(-at-)ius.edu>
Subject:
meeting tomorrow
Adrian, Jon Bingham and I need to meet
with you tomorrow (Wednesday). We must
have this meeting before class tomorrow
evening. Would you be available at
1:00? We will be meeting with you in
the Dean's Conference Room in the School
of Business office area.
Linda Christiansen
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:18 PM
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To: Linda Christiansen <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
Cc: Jon Bingham <jebingha(-at-)ius.edu>
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Sure, any details on what this is
about?
Thanks,
Adrian
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| Linda Christiansen <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:22 PM
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Expectations for participation in the course.
See you Wednesday at 1:00p. Have one of the
office staff let Jon know when you arrive.
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:24 PM
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To: Linda Christiansen <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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Did I do something wrong?
Adrian
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:34 PM
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| Bingham, Jon <jebingha(-at-)ius.edu>
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Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:08 AM
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>, "Christiansen,
Linda A" <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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Adrian,
In response to your phone message this morning,
the meeting is in regard to expectations in the
B516 course. More specific discussion will be
in the meeting. See you at 1:00p.
Jon Bingham
Director, Graduate Business Programs
Indiana University Southeast
(812) 941-2364
www.ius.edu/business
*************************************************************************************************
IU Southeast's part time MBA achieves national
prominence (top 20) in BusinessWeek ranking.
http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/content/nov2007/bs2007111_310993.htm
The IUS MBA Program also was ranked 5th
in the nation for "Best Classroom Experience" in
the 2009 edition of The Princeton Review.
http://www.princetonreview.com/business-school.aspx
*************************************************************************************************
From:
irongeek(-at-)gmail.com [mailto:irongeek(-at-)gmail.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Crenshaw
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009
5:18 PM
To: Christiansen, Linda A
Cc: Bingham, Jon
Subject: Re: meeting tomorrow
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:12 AM
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To: "Bingham, Jon" <jebingha(-at-)ius.edu>
Cc: "Christiansen, Linda A" <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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Jon and Linda,
Since I can no longer access the Oncourse site for
the class, I'm assuming I've done something that is
considered wrong. Is that the case?
Thanks,
Adrian
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| Bingham, Jon <jebingha(-at-)ius.edu>
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Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:13 AM
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
Cc: "Christiansen, Linda A" <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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Adrian,
We will meet at 1:00p. See you then.
Jon Bingham
Director, Graduate Business Programs
Indiana University Southeast
(812) 941-2364
www.ius.edu/business
*************************************************************************************************
IU Southeast's part time MBA achieves national
prominence (top 20) in BusinessWeek ranking.
http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/content/nov2007/bs2007111_310993.htm
The IUS MBA Program also was ranked 5th
in the nation for "Best Classroom Experience" in
the 2009 edition of The Princeton Review.
http://www.princetonreview.com/business-school.aspx
*************************************************************************************************
From:
irongeek(-at-)gmail.com [mailto:irongeek(-at-)gmail.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Crenshaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009
11:12 AM
To: Bingham, Jon
Cc: Christiansen, Linda A
Subject: Re: meeting tomorrow
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:14 AM
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To: "Bingham, Jon" <jebingha(-at-)ius.edu>
Cc: "Christiansen, Linda A" <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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I understand, but if I'm being
accused of something I would like the ability to prepare
an answer.
Thanks,
Adrian
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| Bingham, Jon <jebingha(-at-)ius.edu>
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Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:16 AM
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
Cc: "Christiansen, Linda A" <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
|
The meeting at 1:00p will be sufficient to
clarify any questions. See you then.
Jon Bingham
Director, Graduate Business Programs
Indiana University Southeast
(812) 941-2364
www.ius.edu/business
*************************************************************************************************
IU Southeast's part time MBA achieves national
prominence (top 20) in BusinessWeek ranking.
http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/content/nov2007/bs2007111_310993.htm
The IUS MBA Program also was ranked 5th
in the nation for "Best Classroom Experience" in
the 2009 edition of The Princeton Review.
http://www.princetonreview.com/business-school.aspx
*************************************************************************************************
From:
irongeek(-at-)gmail.com [mailto:irongeek(-at-)gmail.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Crenshaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009
11:15 AM
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:18 AM
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<redacted>
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The lack of willingness to put
something in writing seems off putting.
Adrian
---------- Forwarded message
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From: Bingham, Jon
<jebingha(-at-)ius.edu>
Date: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Subject: RE: meeting tomorrow
To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Polanski.docx
The post in question.
Polanski: Picture Producers Promoting Pedos
WSJ: 09/28/2009 A3
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125413187268245957.html
(Note, the article online is not an exact match to the one in the dead trees
version)
Ok, this one is easy to tie into ethics, but what about business? That's
also pretty easy since film production companies are a business, and who they
decide to employ/support most certainly involves ethics. If one was to take a
look as his IMDB profile
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000591/
you would notice quite a few films he had been directly involved with since his
guilty plea, then flight from justice. Extra details on the case can be found
at:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskicover1.html
The question is, should film production companies care? I imagine some do,
but there still seem to be a fair number of film companies, and actors for that
matter, willing to work with him. From a "rational self interest" stand point
alone, if I ran a movie studio I would not want to be associated with him. Then
again, maybe his films make money despite the bad press, and it's not like the
kind of films he makes are a draw for the "family friendly" crowd. Looking at
the box office draws on some of his recent films, they do make a modest profit,
though most of it is made outside of the United States.
This would be a bad case to use the Categorical Imperative on, since how
would you phrase it? "You should always want it to be the case to financially
support the film directing of a pedophile?"
Someone brought up Robert Downy Jr., so I replied:
I would say there is a world of difference between a drug abuser that is
rehabilitated (in theory) and a self confessed pedophile who fled the country to
avoid going to jail. One is harming themselves and loved ones (with some
exceptions like if there was an accident causing physical damage), and the other
used their position of power to have sex with a 13 year old girl. This guy would
be a better example:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0759207/
As for legal, I imagine the companies financing his films are doing nothing
illegal, just ethically questionable. Also, I would not support a law saying who
someone can hire to make a movie (with the exception perhaps of a pedophile
directing a movie with a bunch of kids). If Polanski had done his time, then
went back to making movies that would be one thing, but he was still a fugitive
from US authorities at the time of his arrest. |
Gmail - Test day.pdf
Gmail - alternative testing.pdf
Gmail - Test Date.pdf
These three emails show that originally I was supposed to take the test with the
other section of the class so I could attend an ISSA event. I even confirmed
this after the meeting with Linda and Bingham. Then, suddenly, it seemed I could
not take the test with the other class because "The other class has different
conditions so that is not possible." What different conditions? This, and the
fact that I took the test first but did not get a grade back until after others
did makes these events/choices look very suspicious.
| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:24 PM
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To: "Christiansen, Linda A" <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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Hi Linda,
Is it possible to take the test with the Monday
class? Or maybe to start an hour earlier on the normal
Wednesday time? I've got an ISSA dinner that night it
seems. It is the 7th right?
Thanks,
Adrian
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| Linda Christiansen <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:30 PM
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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| You can take it with Monday's class
on the 12th.
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:35 PM
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To: Linda Christiansen <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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Thanks. I take it it's still at 6pm
in the Library classroom?
Thanks,
Adrian
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| Linda Christiansen <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:01 AM
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To: "Christiansen, Linda A" <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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Just to be clear, I still plan to
use the test date set for the 12th so I don't miss the
ISSA even the night of the 8th.
Adrian
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| Linda Christiansen <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:05 PM
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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alternative testing
5 messages
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| Linda Christiansen <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:37 PM
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Hi Adrian,
When would you be available to take a make-up exam in
lieu of the taking it with the class next Wednesday?
You can make arrangements with Kim, the Graduate
Programs secretary to schedule a time. Would earlier
that Wednesday be a possibility? Or earlier next week?
Linda Christiansen
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:47 PM
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To: Linda Christiansen <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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I was under the impression from
previous emails that I was taking it on Oct 12 with the
other class.
Adrian
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| Linda Christiansen <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:51 PM
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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The other class has different conditions so that is
not possible.
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:56 PM
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To: Linda Christiansen <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>, kwells(-at-)ius.edu
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In that case, Tuesday the 6th. I
would prefer after work, say about 6pm.
Kwells(-at-)ius.edu is the correct address?
Adrian
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| Linda Christiansen <lchristi(-at-)ius.edu>
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Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:00 PM
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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The School of Business office closes at 6:30 pm so
you will want to allow as much time as you can up to
a limit of 2.75 hours for the exam. The finish time
would be 6:25 pm at the latest. You can begin
testing as early as 8:00 am there if you like.
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dr whites response 1.pdf
Sorry for the typos in this and the next file, I was pretty irritated by this
point and not proof reading as well as I should. The dean excuses Linda
Christiansen and Jon Bingham of not following policy because their actions were
not an "official grievance" against me, but when I looked at the policy last,
the only time the word grievance appears is in reference to a student filing a
grievance against someone at the university, not a faculty member filing against
a student. It is very clear from the policy that those rules are to be followed
for any "disciplinary" action of this sort against a student, but it seems like
Jay White feels he can rewrite them when the policy is inconvenient for him. Then again, Dr. White also had
some typos and some make it look like he was copying and pasting from some other
text ("the you" parts). By the way, I need to point out that Jay White's
reference to the "September 20 letter" is a typo, it was September 30th (lest
someone think that I got a warning before the 30th).
|
Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com> Wed, Nov
4, 2009 at 3:45 PM
To: "White, Alan Jay" <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
Thanks,
Please see comments below. I will bring the signed form to
the MBA office shortly.
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:18 PM, White,
Alan Jay <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
wrote:
Good afternoon Mr. Crenshaw,
I wanted to let you know that I've completed the
investigation of your grievance against
Professor Christiansen. My investigation
included a thorough review of the materials you
provided, a review of comments/thread
discussions from the class in questions, a
review of your exam, and discussions with
parties you had named in the grievance.
My finding is that there appears to be no
justifiable cause for an official grievance.
Grading seems to have been done in a fair and
equitable manner and you are free to review the
exam and go over the instructor's feedback. The
exam is property of the university however and
cannot be removed nor will a copy be provided
for you to keep. This is standard procedure and
one I followed when teaching regularly.
You should understand that the School of
Business strongly supports academic freedom and
diversity. Students are encouraged to question,
and posit alternative theories, and think for
themselves. This freedom doesn't mean that you
are going to be free from criticism for your
views however, either from the instructor or
from your peers. If you bring up a very
different theory or point of view it is the
academic rights of others to question you, and
hard, for those view. Nor does it mean that an
instructor has to devote unlimited classroom
time to one student's opinions. According to
the instructor time was devoted in class for
your viewpoints, especially the ones relating to
Nazi Germany. Your right to bring up
alternative views does not appear to have been
infringed upon.
I have no problem with people criticizing my view
points, what I have a problem is being failed because of
my view points. No one really even bothered to
criticizing beyond saying the Nazi Germany example was
"extreme". No comments on it being acceptable to call a
student anti-law and anti-ethics? That is not debating
the issue. I did not ask for unlimited time, and took
very little class time.
In relation to the meeting on September 30, the
instructor and graduate director (who also
serves as advisor to graduate students) tried to
provide guidance for you regarding the
expectations for success in the course.
Regarding the manner in which the meeting
between the you, the graduate director, and
instructor took place I do agree that it would
have been less stressful for the you, and
preferred by me, for a frank discussion to have
conducted between you and the instructor first.
However, the instructor felt that you were not
fully understanding her classroom exhortations
and felt the need to have the Graduate Director
there to stress the seriousness and importance
of the classroom expectations. Whereas this
would have been preferred, and as there was no
official student code violation grievance filed
nor was this an official hearing, the method by
which this was handled does not appear to have
violated any rights held by you as a student.
Again, this was not an official hearing nor an
official grievance filed against you, rather it
was designed as an advisory session to point out
the gaps between current behaviors and
expectations for the program.
If all policy can be ignored by saying they are
unofficial, then there is no reason to have a policy in
place at all. If it was "unofficial" why wording such as
"this is your last warning" and saying the next step is
to talk to the head of student affairs.
The potential FERPA violations you mentioned
were taken quite seriously and I spoke with all
parties involved. No grades or records were
discussed by the instructor and nothing relating
to the specifics of the Sept. 30 meeting has
been revealed to anyone except those you
released yourself. This has been corroborated
by all parties involved. My conclusion is that
no FERPA violations occurred.
Point taken, and descriptions of behavior are not
protected in the same way as grades. Still, will you not
admit this is bad form to tell my coworkers I am a
distraction in class, but never bring it up with me
until after the fact? Or the only warning I receive
about class participation is hours before the last class
I could anything about it?
I realize this may not be what you wanted to
hear. At this point, if you wish to continue
with an official grievance you will need to
provide me with a signed copy of the grievance
form (the electronic version did not have a
signature) so we can continue the process.
Based on what you've provided me so far to
support a grievance I feel you could better
spend your time by analyzing the comments from
your Sept. 30 meeting with as unbiased eye as
possible and determine if you can close the gap
between your current situation and the
expectations as laid out by the instructor and
graduate director.
Are there things I could learn from these events,
certainly. But to excuse the teachers behavior and for
her not to learn form is as well is not acceptable.
Based on your replies to each of the charges in
the September 30 letter I feel that you are not
taking the comments constructively, as they were
intended. As evidence you use terms such as
"nitpicking" and "professional judgment is an
aesthetic, very flexible" to justify your
stances. In addition you state "[subject] is
fairly common thing to bring up in a philosophy
class" to defend your in-class comments related
to Nazi Germany. But you have to realize this
is not a philosophy class, it is a business law
and ethics class and we want our students to see
the topics from that point of view. All of the
exhortations given in the September 20 letter
are designed with that in mind. I think if you
can do that you can have success and that is the
ultimate goal for all of us.
Nitpicking and petty are good words to describe some of
the complaints against me, please reread my response. To
complain about me speaking technically, or to complain
about ask questions in the forum, about the forum, is
very much petty. Ethics is a branch of philosophy. Is
what is being thought in class ethics or "guide lines to
save face"?
I'd be happy to meet with you and discuss this
in more detail. Please feel free to contact
Cheryl Young (young24(-at-)ius.edu)
in the School of Business office or Kim Wells (krwells(-at-)ius.edu)
to set up an appointment.
So, nothing about having the tests regraded by a 3rd
party? Or being able to take the class elsewhere? It
really does not seem that my grievances have been
answered beyond: "tenured faculty set the rules". I
don't wish to make more enemies, but morally I have to
continue the grievance procedures even if I ultimately
get nothing out of it. I feel that my response to the
letter given to me on the 30th, and my list of
grievances, has been ignored.
Adrian Crenshaw
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dr whites response 2.pdf
Notice the last section, which is vaguely threatening that I won't be able to
continue in the program if I file the grievance. He seems to care a lot about
their expectations of me, but not about my expectations of them (fair treatment,
communication of the issues as they come up and not saving them for a spiteful
letter mere hours before the final live class, honoring a student's rights as
outlined in IU policy, etc.). Which requirements was I supposedly not
fulfilling? I was participating in the class in good faith, and was doing as I
was supposed to according to the syllabus and according to policy. I guess it is
also a requirement never to question the instructor? Then there is the section
about finding a major that is "a better match for your disposition", so much for
the diversity White claimed to support in the earlier email. White was not
interested in resolving a conflict between a professor and a student, but in
getting the student to shut up and go away.
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Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com> Wed, Nov
4, 2009 at 5:02 PM
To: "White, Alan Jay" <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
Dr. White,
Please go ahead and file the grievance. More comments below.
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:42 PM, White,
Alan Jay <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
wrote:
Mr. Crenshaw,
Your reply was very swift, and although
promptness is appreciated I very strongly
suggest you consider my comments for a day or
two at least before proceeding. I have read ALL
of your comments and materials multiple times
and will reiterate that there is no cause for a
grievance. As for having a 3rd party
re-grade your test I have no intention of
approving that. In short you have not made a
case for such an action and you did not receive
a failing grade because of your values or
viewpoints. Your grade is a result of your
performance. Let me ask you this, have you even
reviewed the test yet and the instructor
comments? If not then how can you even ask for
such a review?
Yes, I have reviewed it, however without comparison to
other students there is no way to tell if the grade is
fair. And I means this as no slight, but I need time to
read her handwriting (I have to admit mine is fairly bad
too, years of only typing on a keyboard causes that).
Also, I would need more time for outside comparison,
when means needing a copy.
My only intention is to help you move forward
and have success in the program. I still offer
that to you and that is why I'm holding the
grievance until Friday. Unless you tell me
otherwise I will proceed then but I hope you
will reconsider and at least have a conversation
with me. In the meantime I ask you to consider
carefully what you wish to accomplish overall.
Why are you pursuing an MBA? What do you want
to do with such a degree? Do you fully
understand that you must meet all program
requirements and the requirements of each of the
required courses (B516 is not an elective)? Are
you willing to meet those requirement and/or
work with the graduate director and instructor
to ensure you understand where gaps lie? Your
answer to the last two questions is important.
If you are not willing to meet the classroom
expectations for a required course then you will
be unable to complete the course and therefore
the MBA.
I am willing to meet classroom expectations if they are
outlined before the class, not hours before the last
live class of the course (which is what happened). If
she had come to me after class and explained it in the
form of "Adrian, this is not really what we are going
for in the class", that would have been fine. Instead,
she saved it all up for a letter that was not written as
a form of guidance, but as an attack (the anti-law and
anti-ethics comments for example). What I wanted to get
out of the MBA program is outlined in my application
letter. I know B516 is a required course, but I do not
believe I will be treated fairly in that course if Linda
is the professor. Also, I'm not sure I'd want to take a
course on Law and Ethics from someone who seems to abuse
their power (changing the meaning of "online ethics",
not following policy, etc), and gets upset when someone
questions the material. I know the events that happened
is class are a "he said, she said" sort of thing, and
that you are likely to side with Linda because you know
her and she is tenured faculty. That is the reason I
wanted a witness at the meeting, which I was denied.
If you value the MBA and wish to complete the
degree program you need to decide what it will
take to do that and then pursue that course. As
you consider these things you may conclude that
the MBA isn't the best path for you. If that is
your conclusion I will again offer my assistance
to see if credits cannot transfer into a program
that would be a better fit for your goals and be
a better match for your disposition.
Other than Liberal Studies and Education, I'm not sure
of other Masters programs at IUS. I value the MBA
program, but not so much that I will disregard my
principles or be bullied while pursuing my academic
freedoms.
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White, Alan Jay <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu> Wed, Nov 4,
2009 at 5:05 PM
To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
Thank you Adrian. I will proceed as you wish.
A. Jay White
Dean and Associate Professor of Finance
School of Business
Indiana University Southeast
New Albany, IN 47150
812-941-2325
jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu
If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can
take it away from him. An investment in knowledge always
pays the best interest. – Benjamin Franklin
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Gmail - Chance to look over Test.pdf
This 2nd chance to view the exam was dropped, and they never contacted me after
the meeting.
| Adrian Crenshaw
<irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com> |
Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:26 AM
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To: "White, Alan Jay" <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
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Hello Dr. White,
When would be a good time for me to come by and
take a longer look at the midterm test? It will take me
some time to analyze it, and construct a response. Also,
the issue of the F in class participation is still in
question, especially since I was given no warning till
hours before the last class. I'm working on getting a
meeting set up for next week.
Thanks,
Adrian Crenshaw
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| White, Alan Jay <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
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Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:36 AM
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
|
I
just gave Kim some days/times that would work
next week.
Regarding the exam,
I'd need to ask the instructor about a time. I
don't know if she'd have to be there necessarily
but it would help if you had additional
questions about the expectations and responses.
You should know that you won't be allowed to
take the exam or be alone with the exam. Is
your preference to have the instructor there or
not?
I have not yet
reviewed the computations/evaluations for that
portion of your overall grade but will add that
to my investigation prior to our meeting next
week.
J
From:
irongeek(-at-)gmail.com [irongeek(-at-)gmail.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Crenshaw [irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 10:26
AM
To: White, Alan Jay
Subject: Test
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| Adrian Crenshaw
<irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com> |
Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM
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To: "White, Alan Jay" <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
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Linda can be there, as long as I can
have a witness there as well. I will need to take notes
about the test.
Also, what are my option for independent study, or
taking the course elsewhere to receive the credit?
Thanks,
Adrian
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| White, Alan Jay <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
|
Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 1:12 PM
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
|
I've spoken with Linda and we'll have to work
out a day/time. I want to reiterate that,
although note taking is OK, you will not be able
to copy the exam.
Regarding an independent study I'm afraid that
any consideration will have to wait until after
the grievance process is completed. At that
time Jon, or I, will be glad to discuss
options. I will say that granting the option
for an independent study or to take a similar
course and transfer it back in is rarely done
and in those cases is done to assist a student
who has been relocated due to work. I don't
think your situation would apply.
A. Jay White
Dean and Associate Professor of Finance
School of Business
Indiana University Southeast
New Albany, IN 47150
812-941-2325
jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu
If a man empties his purse into his head, no man
can take it away from him. An investment in
knowledge always pays the best interest. –
Benjamin Franklin
From:
irongeek(-at-)gmail.com [mailto:irongeek(-at-)gmail.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Crenshaw
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009
11:13 AM
To: White, Alan Jay
Subject: Re: Test
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 1:18 PM
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To: "White, Alan Jay" <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
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Please let me know when there is a
date time set. Thanks.
Adrian
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 1:18 PM
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To: <redacted>
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It does not look good for getting
the credit elsewhere.
Adrian
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Gmail - Checking to make sure grievance was filed.pdf
Here I start asking secretaries if
the grievance was on file already (a question no one ever answers). Between this
first email, and Atnip's response, it takes more than a month
(7/11/2011-8/16/2011) before Atnip responds, for what should have been as simple
as a secretary walking over to a filing cabinet or typing into their workstation
to figure out if it was on file or not. Also notice, they never really say when
it was filed: When I first put it in, or only after almost two years had gone
by.
Checking to make sure grievance was filed
11 messages
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| Adrian Crenshaw
<irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com> |
Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:40 PM
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To: tandrews(-at-)ius.edu, psylvest(-at-)ius.edu
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| Sylvester, Paula K <psylvest(-at-)ius.edu>
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Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:12 AM
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Adrian,
I understand that Vice Chancellor Atnip is
viewing your email and materials. Vice
Chancellor Garvey-Nix is out of state for
several days-the email and information will be
in her inbox when she returns. Thanks.
Paula Sylvester
Indiana University Southeast
Office of Student Affairs
4201 Grant Line Road
New Albany, IN 47150
(812) 941-2420
From:
irongeek(-at-)gmail.com [mailto:irongeek(-at-)gmail.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Crenshaw
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 1:41 PM
To: Andrews, Teresa A; Sylvester, Paula K
Subject: Checking to make sure grievance
was filed
Hello,
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:21 AM
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To: "Sylvester, Paula K" <psylvest(-at-)ius.edu>
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Hello Paula,
Thank you very much. Was it not on file then?
Thanks,
Adrian
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| Sylvester, Paula K <psylvest(-at-)ius.edu>
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Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:26 AM
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Adrian,
Please consult with Vice Chancellor Atnip's
Office. Student Affairs does not handle
complaints regarding faculty but I have
forwarded your information to VC Garvey-Nix as
an FYI. Thanks.
Paula
From:
irongeek(-at-)gmail.com [mailto:irongeek(-at-)gmail.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Crenshaw
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:22 AM
To: Sylvester, Paula K
Subject: Re: Checking to make sure
grievance was filed
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:29 AM
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To: "Sylvester, Paula K" <psylvest(-at-)ius.edu>
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Hi Paula,
Ok. Thanks and acknowledged.
Adrian
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 10:07 AM
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To: tandrews(-at-)ius.edu, psylvest(-at-)ius.edu
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Hello Ms. Andrews,
Do you have any information on if this grievance
was indeed filed? I never heard back, and if Dr. White
chose not to file it then I have another grievance to
make. As per:
http://www.ius.edu/studentaffairs/article/grievance
"Please note that in accordance with federal
regulations, IU Southeast is required to share summary
information about complaints with its accrediting
agency, the Higher Learning Commission, as part of the
reaccreditation process. Individual identities of those
who have filed a complaint will not be provided."
I'd like to request that they don't redact my name,
and I'm fine with them contacting me. If neither of you
are the right person to ask to confirm that the
grievance was filed, then could you please tell me the
correct contact?
Thank you,
Adrian Crenshaw
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| Andrews, Teresa A <tandrews(-at-)ius.edu>
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Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 7:37 AM
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>, "Sylvester,
Paula K" <psylvest(-at-)ius.edu>
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Vice Chancellor Atnip is out of the office on
vacation until Thursday. I will follow up with
him then to check the status of this.
Have a good day!
Teresa
From:
irongeek(-at-)gmail.com [mailto:irongeek(-at-)gmail.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Crenshaw
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 10:08
AM
To: Andrews, Teresa A; Sylvester,
Paula K
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 11:12 AM
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To: "Andrews, Teresa A" <tandrews(-at-)ius.edu>
Cc: "Sylvester, Paula K" <psylvest(-at-)ius.edu>
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Hello Teresa,
Ok, thanks much.
Adrian
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:38 AM
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To: "Andrews, Teresa A" <tandrews(-at-)ius.edu>
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Hello Teresa,
I got a response back from Vice Chancellor Atnip
that the documents are now on file. When he responded he
used the name Christenson, could you place make sure it
is filed under the correct spelling of Christiansen?
Assuming the records are recovered electronically, it
would never come up if someone searched for it under the
wrong spelling. Also, I'd still like a date for when
they were first filed: when I originally filed the
grievance back in 2009, or only after I checked up on it
in 2011. Sorry to be a stickler, but I feel it is my
ethical duty to make sure.
Thanks for your time,
Adrian
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 7:37
AM, Andrews, Teresa A <tandrews(-at-)ius.edu>
wrote:
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:03 AM
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To: "Andrews, Teresa A" <tandrews(-at-)ius.edu>
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Hello Teresa,
Sorry about that, "place" should of been "please".
As you can see, I have problems with typos/auto-correct
too. :)
Thanks,
Adrian
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Gmail - Atnip's response.pdf
He misspelled the teacher's name, hope it's filed correctly and can be found
when someone looks for it. I make it known many times that I want to know when
Jay White filed it with him, but never got a direct answer. When I pointed out
policy that indicated a time table for them to respond to my grievance with an
outcome, and that White never did, Atnip points out that the policy I found is
old and points me to a new policy that is just a flow chart with little detail.
He also says they are working on taking down the policy that had details. I'm
not exactly sure how he can say "It's my understanding that Dean White did not
ignore your grievance, but that he investigated and resolved it, albeit not in
the way you had hoped." when White never got back to me on taking the class
elsewhere and other matters such as seeing my test again.
| Atnip, Gilbert W.
<gatnip(-at-)ius.edu> |
Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:08
PM |
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To: "irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com" <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Mr. Crenshaw,
This is to verify that
the materials you submitted in regard to
your grievance against Professor Christenson
are on file in my office, along with your
email stating that you waive your right to
have your grievance kept anonymous during
any future accreditation reviews.
Gilbert W. Atnip
Vice Chancellor for
Academic Affairs
Indiana University
Southeast
New Albany, IN 47150
812-941-2208
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| Adrian Crenshaw
<irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com> |
Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:42
PM |
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To: "Atnip, Gilbert W." <gatnip(-at-)ius.edu>
|
Hello Dr. Atnip,
Thanks for the response and the confirmation. As
I did not hear back from Dr. White I began to think
that the grievance was never filed against Professor
Christiansen when I put in the forms.There was the
question of taking the course elsewhere, which was
never resolved. Also, I had emailed the dean about
having a longer chance to view the test, which he
said he would set up, but they dropped contact on
that and I never heard back(see attachment). Those
items led me to suspect that they may have just
dropped the matter without following policy. As an
employee of the university also, I want to keep
things separate from my role as a student. That said
there's certain freedoms in my role as a student in
discussing the matter I fear may be treaded on.
Thanks for your time and for checking into it,
Adrian Crenshaw
--
"The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute
for wit." ~ W. Somerset Maugham
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Gmail - Chance to look over
Test.pdf
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| Adrian Crenshaw
<irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com> |
Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 12:20
PM |
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To: "Atnip, Gilbert W." <gatnip(-at-)ius.edu>
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Hello Dr. Atnip,
Sorry to bother you again, but there are still a
few outstanding issues I would like to resolve.
1. No offence intended in this, but you seem to have
a typo in the faculty member name from your last
response. It should be Christiansen. I assume
records are computerized, and want to make sure
names are correct so they can be found in searches.
2. I'm still curious to know if Dr. White followed
policy and forwarded the materials on to you, or if
you only received them when I brought it up again
this summer. I never heard back from him after I
made the formal complaint and brought the signed
copy to the MBA office. Based on my understanding
of:
http://www2.ius.edu/studentaffairs/studentcode_part1.cfm
it should have been brought to you after 21 days. If
it was not, then I have another grievance to file
concerning Dr. White. As far as I can tell, I
submitted it to him and it fell into a hole and was
forgotten.
3. Did the "Campus Grievance Commission" ever see
it? My understanding is there are students on this
commission as well, and I would certainly like them
to review it.
4. I realize I should have followed up in a quicker
time frame, but I had other pressing matters with my
new master program and various conferences. Granted,
many of the "desired outcomes" I asked for no longer
apply as I've had to move to a new program. Still,
I'd like the Campus Grievance Commission to have a
look at it, including all materials I submitted, and
Dr. White's response (which was quite dismissive,
one sided, and in part vaguely intimidating as to
filing the grievance vs. being able to stay in the
program).
Thanks,
Adrian Crenshaw
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| Atnip, Gilbert W.
<gatnip(-at-)ius.edu> |
Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:41
AM |
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Mr. Crenshaw,
Sorry about the spelling error. I can
assure you it won't affect the accessibility
of your complaint in my files.
The link you provided below does not
direct you to the correct grievance
procedures. After consulting with Vice
Chancellor Garvey-Nix, we have asked Media
Services to investigate this link and to
locate and deactivate any access to the old
procedures. The current procedures for this
campus can be found at:
http://www.ius.edu/studentaffairs/article/codeprocedures
As you will see, the IU Southeast
procedure assigns responsibility for
resolving academic issues to the dean of the
relevant school. Any complaint about a dean
would come to the vice chancellor for
academic affairs, as would any appeal of a
dean's decision. Please also note that in
the case of a grade appeal, the dean's
decision is considered final and thus is not
subject to appeal. See:
http://www.ius.edu/registrar/register-for-classes/grades/grade-policies-procedures.html#grade-changes
It's my understanding
that Dean White did not ignore your
grievance, but that he investigated and
resolved it, albeit not in the way you had
hoped.
G. Atnip
Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs
From:
irongeek(-at-)gmail.com [mailto:irongeek(-at-)gmail.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Crenshaw
Sent: Saturday, September 10,
2011 12:21 PM
To: Atnip, Gilbert W.
Subject: Re: grievance
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| Adrian Crenshaw
<irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com> |
Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:54
AM |
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To: "Atnip, Gilbert W." <gatnip(-at-)ius.edu>
|
Hello Dr. Atnip,
Thanks for the updated link. I think it's
unfortunate that the current procedures are less
detailed (just a flow chart), and do not involve
members from the student body like the older ones I
found (which seem to be based on ones I have found
in Bloomington as well).
Under just the flow chart I would still not
categorize Dr. White's response as "Prompt Thorough
Clear" as I never heard back after the meeting we
had as part of what I would guess to be the
"Advising Session" (though this meeting did take
place after I brought over the formal signed
grievance, which might make it part of step 2). No
final word was given on if it would be possible to
take the class for credit elsewhere for example. I
also question whether students not being able to
have a copy of their test is "standard procedure" as
Dr. White states.
I feel that the "Student's Right" as outlined
in the other documents have no teeth as they can be
wiggled out of pretty easily if faculty decide to.
When I point out in an email issues concerning
student academic freedom, White says they care about
such issues but then launches into an attack on me
indicating that others have a right to criticize my
views and the teacher did not have to give me
unlimited class time. These are both straw man
attacks to get away from the issue of the teacher
failing a student because of values and viewpoints
expressed that made her uncomfortable. Criticism did
not happen in class beyond referring to the the case
example as extreme (and criticism would have made
for a more interesting class discussion, so I
welcome it). I never asked for unlimited class time
and very little was taken, especially as compared to
other topics that were less related to the course
material (see "My Response.docx").
White also indicated policy did not need to be
followed when setting up the meeting because it was
not an "official hearing". So, you can call anything
"informal" or unofficial and you do not have to
follow written polices? How could it ever be
informal/unofficial if the next step as said in the
paper handed to me at the meeting was "Referral to
and discipline by Vice Chancellor Ruth Garvey-Nix"
and that it was going into my student file? That is
in no way informal or unofficial. (see "Grievances
against Linda Christiansen.docx"),
Dr. White maintains that the meeting was held
to inform me of my gaps and that I'm not taking it
as constructive criticism like I should. I certainty
felt attacked in the room, but I was not allowed a
witness in the meeting (going against university
policy). The paper from the meeting is not phrased
as constructive criticism but as an attack, with
many allegations that are not clarified (my
supposedly anti-law and anti-ethics statements and
positions for example). Many of the teacher's claims
are indeed nitpicky and petty. Also, what good is it
to store up all of these complaints, tell me I'm
getting a 0 in class participation because of it,
and only bring them to my attention hours before the
last live class of the semester I could do anything
about it? Disregarding the test, I had been
effectively failed at that point with no warning
since participation is 30 percent of the grade, and
the alleged (and not clarified) "At least one
violation of the "Online Etiquette" penalty on the
syllabus" would have lowed it at least one letter
grade (this would take it below the minimum grade
requirements for the masters program, unless I aced
everything else).
They have a very myopic view of ethics in the
MBA program it seems. In one of Dr. White's
responses he states:
"In addition you state "[subject] is fairly
common thing to bring up in a philosophy class" to
defend your in-class comments
related to Nazi Germany. But you have to realize
this is not a philosophy class, it is a business law
and ethics class and we want our students to see the
topics from that point of view."
Ethics is a branch of philosophy, the text book even
goes so far as to mention famous philosophers in the
field of ethics and common schools of thought. If
it's in the text book, how can it be out of scope?
Saying you can't bring philosophy into a law and
ethics class is like saying you can't bring math
into an accounting course.
I seem to have gotten into a bit of a he said
she said, and since Linda is tenured faculty I lose.
This is another reason I wanted a witness at the
meeting. I'm not sure White went into reading the
documentation I sent with an open mind (something he
accused me of), but I guess there is not a lot I can
do about that. I'm still not confident policy was
followed, but what policy I can find is either: 1.
said to be outdated, 2. ill-defined, 3. IU general.
If there is a way for a commission with
students on it to see the grievance I'd like it
forwarded on to them. At this point the only thing I
can really get out of the grievance it is to bring
attention to the issues. Maybe what I have submitted
for the record will help some other student by
establishing a pattern of behavior, but my guess is
it won't matter. Sometimes you just have do
something because it's the right thing to do.
Thank for taking the time to respond, and in a
far less insulting manner than Dr. White.
Thanks,
Adrian Crenshaw
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Most of the Documents above I received again when I did an Indiana Open
Records/FOIA Request. I did however receive a few interesting new items.
I had asked a professor that has a JD if a student's exam was really property
of the university. Looks like she was told not to answer, and Atnip did not want
to ask IU counsel.
From:
Atnip, Gilbert W. <gatnip(-at-)ius.edu>
Sent:
Friday, November 13, 2009 11:50 AM
To:
Wyandotte, Annette M
Subject:
RE: Legal question
I happen to know that
there is an ongoing complaint by this student about a faculty
member. The appropriate answer is that if he wants legal advice, he
should talk to a lawyer. I can't give him legal advice and I will
not ask the IU counsel this question, either.
From: Wyandotte, Annette M
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:42 AM
To: Atnip, Gilbert W.
Subject: FW: Legal question
Gil,
In scrolling thru pending items sent others by email the past
week, I came across this issue. Could you provide me your
perspective on what the student below is asking?
Thanks,
Annette
From: Wyandotte, Annette M
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 2:36 PM
To: 'Adrian Crenshaw'
Subject: RE: Legal question
Thank you for your email and apologize that it has taken a week
to get to it; however, several deadlines conspire at once to compel
my attention. Concerning your question, I would prefer to get an
answer for you from the Vice Chancellor of Academic Affairs. I have
a law degree but I am not currently practicing law, and I always
direct legal questions that arise in my role in dean either to the
Vice Chancellor or on occasion, to an IU attorney.
I will contact you again when I have an answer.
Sincerely,
Dean Wyandotte
From:
irongeek(-at-)gmail.com
[mailto:irongeek(-at-)gmail.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Crenshaw
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:01 PM
To: Wyandotte, Annette M
Subject: Legal question
Hello Dr. Wyandotte,
I'm student here at IUS. I was told you had a JD, and since you
are very involved in academics I was hoping you could clear
something up for me. I recently asked for a copy of a test I had
taken, for which there is in grad dispute. I was told I could see it
but not keep a copy of the test. The exact quote is:
"The exam is property
of the university however and cannot be removed nor will a copy be
provided for you to keep. "
Is that the case? Do students not have legal right to their own
work?
Thanks,
Adrian Crenshaw
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I'd like to know what posts he thought were disturbing. What I posted was no
more disturbing than what was in the book. See my response above. At least I
know he sent some stuff to Atnip, not that Atnip seemed to care.
From:
Atnip, Gilbert W. <gatnip(-at-)ius.edu>
Sent:
Thursday, November 05, 2009 3:49 PM
To:
White, Alan Jay
Subject:
RE: Grievances against Linda Christiansen
I don't see a copy of
the grievance form – I don't think it was attached.
From: White, Alan Jay
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 2:24 PM
To: Atnip, Gilbert W.
Subject: FW: Grievances against Linda Christiansen
Gil,
This is Mr. Crenshaw's first correspondence to me. The most
relevant documents are the Grievances document and the "My Response"
document although some of the email/ONCOURSE threads are
interesting, and disturbing.
J
A. Jay White
Dean and
Associate Professor of Finance
School of
Business
Indiana
University Southeast
New Albany, IN
47150
812-941-2325
jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu
If a man
empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him.
An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest. – Benjamin
Franklin
|
Guess he did know. Funny that Jay White says my grade is because of my
performance, but is afraid to even let a 3rd party see the test with me (is that
why he dropped the ball and never let it happen?).
From: White, Alan Jay <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 2:51 PM
To: Atnip, Gilbert W.
Subject: RE: Student Grievance
I think he's considering bring
<redacted>.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Atnip, Gilbert W." <gatnip(-at-)ius.edu>
Subj: RE: Student Grievance
Date: Thu Nov 5, 2009 2:46 pm
Size: 1K
To: "White, Alan Jay" <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
cc: "Garvey-Nix, Ruth C" <rgarvey(-at-)ius.edu>
I think if he brings someone and asks for
them to sit in, he has effectively waived any FERPA claims. But I
am copying Ruth on this as she knows more about it than I do.
From: White, Alan Jay
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 2:20 PM
To: Atnip, Gilbert W.
Subject: Student Grievance
Gil,
One of our students, Adrian Crenshaw, is
wishing to proceed with a grievance against Professor Christiansen.
I've advised him that I don't see grounds for a grievance but he
wishes to proceed anyway. I've nearly completed my investigation
and have only a few tasks left before rendering my decision. They
are: (1) a meeting with Mr. Crenshaw (all documents and dialogue
have been via electronic means thus far); (2) I will review
Professor Christiansen's evaluation and scores of Mr. Crenshaw's
participation to date; and (3) Mr. Crenshaw wishes to review his
exam.
Mr. Crenshaw has asked to have an advocate
present when we meet and also wishes to have an advocate present
when he reviews his exam. I'm OK with the advocate during my
meeting provided Mr. Crenshaw sign a waiver or release so that we
are in accordance with FERPA but am not sure about an advocate to
review an exam. He has been told that he cannot keep or copy the
exam.
I anticipate that Mr. Crenshaw may not be
satisfied by my remedy or decision so this may continue on to you.
I'll forward our correspondence to date to you in a separate email
(or emails).
Jay
A. Jay White
Dean and Associate Professor of Finance
School of Business
Indiana University Southeast
New Albany, IN 47150
812-941-2325
jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu<mailto:jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
If a man empties his purse into his head, no
man can take it away from him. An investment in knowledge always
pays the best interest. – Benjamin Franklin
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Not sure how Atnip is "not
quite sure why he decided to send all this stuff now", I state the reason
in my email, and I would not want to reenter a program that cares so little for
students. You can see even Jay says he does not recall the outcome. In my
opinion the reason for that is that after our meeting he let it drop because he
did not think it worthy of his attention. It seems the idea of a legitimate
student grievance is foreign to these two. Also, I never technically left the
MBA program.
From:
Atnip, Gilbert W. <gatnip(-at-)ius.edu>
Sent:
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:34 AM
To:
White, Alan Jay
Subject:
RE: Checking to make sure grievance was filed
Thanks. I am not quite sure why he decided to send all this
stuff now. Maybe he's thinking about coming back into the program.
From: White, Alan Jay
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:21 AM
To: Atnip, Gilbert W.
Subject: RE: Checking to make sure grievance was
filed
Gil, I don't recall. I know I met with Adrian and then had a few
communications with him and Linda. I believe I left it with an
opportunity for him to re-engage and complete his degree but he
eventually decided to leave the MBA program.
I'll retrieve his file and see what we have.
J
From: Atnip, Gilbert W.
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:57 AM
To: White, Alan Jay
Subject: FW: Checking to make sure grievance was
filed
Jay, I don't remember much about this. Did you resolve it at
your level? I don't recall the grievance actually coming to me,
although I was aware of it.
From: Andrews, Teresa A
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 1:44 PM
To: Atnip, Gilbert W.
Subject: FW: Checking to make sure grievance was
filed
Do I need to print these off and add them to our "student issues"
file?
Hello,
In the fall of 2009 I filed a grievance against Linda
Christiansen while I was working on my MBA. I never heard back so I
wanted to make sure it was indeed filed by Dr. White. Also, since
the document labeled "Paper given at meeting.pdf" was supposedly put
in my student file, I wanted to make sure my response was on file as
well (My Response.docx). I'm emailing both academic and student
affairs as I'm not sure from the flow chart who handles this. If
nothing else, I'd like the attached documents added to the related
files in case anyone else comes in conflict with Linda Christiansen
in the future.
Thanks,
Adrian Crenshaw
More information in these docs:
GRIEVANCE_FORM_Adrian Crenshaw.pdf
The form from this site:http://www.ius.edu/studentaffairs/grievance.cfm
Grievances against Linda Christiansen.docx
This file contains the main body of the grievance.
B516 Fall 2009 Syllabus.doc
So the expectations of the course are clear.
Paper given at meeting.pdf
As the name suggested, the paper given to me at the meeting
My Response.docx
Same as above, but with my responses.
Other emails showing the casual nature of our conversations up until this point:
Gmail - Fraudies.pdf
Gmail - Tax Write off.pdf
Gmail - SOX Presentation.pdf
Shouting Gmail - Questions.pdf
Gmail - Ethics Question.pdf
The ethics questions I submitted for comment, but not a formal submission.
Gmail - meeting tomorrow m.pdf
The set up for the meeting, where I was not given a chance to prepare (please read about policy violations in main grievance document).
Polanski.docx
The Post in question.
dr whites response 1.pdf
dr whites response 2.pdf
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Some how Jay convinces himself I dropped out of the program. I never official
did that, only the class. I never "agreed
to that resolution". What Jay calls excuses I call reasons, and the
only evidence that clear instruction was given he seems to have is that the
instructor said so (Unless he is not referring to the classroom but instead referring
to the attack memo from Sept. 30th, in which case it came too late to do any
good, was vague & petty, and what "directions" did I supposedly not follow from
it? Maybe an implied direction was not to file a grievance because of Linda
Christiansen's bad behavior?). From Jay's choice of language, you can see he does not
like it when a student defends himself. He states
"After a lengthy meeting with Mr. Crenshaw, he indicated to me a
desire for a course substitution which I did not grant." and "In any event, since I did not feel that his rights were violated
I did not grant a waiver for this course or permission to take it elsewhere."
These statements by Jay are falsehoods,
he never gave final word, just said the class substitution decision would have to wait until
after the grievance
process was over (which he never let happen by just dropping the matter), only
saying he
did not think my situation would apply (see the quote from him above on the
matter). Also, I requested the course substitution before the meeting, not
after. Glad I had a witness at the meeting who can corroborate these things. His version of the events in the email below are incredibly one sided
(in the instructor's favor of course) and lack important details, but that is to
be expected considering how he handled his "investigation". He does not seem
capable of understanding that the rights I had filed the grievance about do not
so much involve being allowed to say something as the fact I was given a 0 in
class participation without warning because of expressing my view points. Being
"allowed" to say something and being penalized because of it are two separate
issues, so yes, student rights as outlined above were violated. Jay saying "Once the instructor communicated to Mr. Crenshaw that he needed
to stay on topic and bring in relevant business examples Mr. Crenshaw replied by
saying his student rights were violated." is an over simplification
to the point of being an outright lie. I did not start complaining about my rights being
violated until I got the attack/complaint memo, which was not phrased as
constructive communication and effectively told me I had failed the class
without warning. Even then, I did not file the grievance until I got back an F
on the exam, which they seem afraid to even let me have a copy of. This quote is
another example of Jay using a straw man argument (he does a lot of that). Also,
the instructor did not communicate to me that I needed to "stay on topic and bring in relevant business examples",
she passive aggressively held on to it until the meeting to tell me, and my
examples were on topic and at least as business related as other items in the
book and that were mentioned in class. If she had problems with my examples/class participation she
should have told me in or after class, not passive aggressively save things up
and fail me, that is not communication. Also, saying I was infringing on other's
rights to continue with the subject at hand is a low form of rhetoric. As I
stated elsewhere I took very little time, they were not tangents and they were
not from "other disciplines" (I assume he is referring to
philosophy, which was in the book and ethics is a branch of philosophy).
Were MY rights to "continue with the subject at hand" infringed upon by other
students
talking about wedding dresses/boyfriends bringing flowers (and the bad things
they must be compensating for)/the tv show Snapped/etc? Apparently all of my communications with Jay were as pointless as speaking to a
brick wall, he seems to only care about the instructor's side of the story and
treats it as gospel without considering my side at all.
From:
Atnip, Gilbert W. <gatnip(-at-)ius.edu>
Sent:
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:47 AM
To:
White, Alan Jay
Subject:
RE: Checking to make sure grievance was filed
Jay, can you tell me when he first filed his grievance with your
office? It was probably in the form of an email with attachments.
Can I assume that you kept a copy of all the documents? I am not
quite sure why he is asking questions about this so long after it
was resolved (albeit not to his satisfaction).
From: White, Alan Jay
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 12:14 PM
To: Atnip, Gilbert W.
Subject: RE: Checking to make sure grievance was
filed
That is my understanding Gil.
After a lengthy meeting with Mr. Crenshaw, he indicated to me a
desire for a course substitution which I did not grant. I did not
grant the substitution because I did not find the grievance
allegations warranted such an action. When addressing issues
related to behavior and appropriate classroom topics Mr. Crenshaw
provided excuses as to why what he was doing was OK as opposed to
following the very clear directions of the instructor (for example
making statements like "Opinions of professional behavior vary" when
the instructor alleged the student had engaged in "unacceptable and
unprofessional behavior.")
Once the instructor communicated to Mr. Crenshaw that he needed
to stay on topic and bring in relevant business examples Mr.
Crenshaw replied by saying his student rights were violated. Since
the student WAS allowed to bring up his examples, thoughts, and
theories from other disciplines in class I did not find his rights
to have been violated. The instructor only strongly objected when
the student continued to return to certain subjects and concepts
after they had already been vetted. Mr. Crenshaw did get to relay
his thoughts/beliefs but a continuation of his tangents were
infringing upon the other students rights to continue with the
subject at hand.
While I do feel the instructor could have managed the situation
better, Mr. Crenshaw's rights were not violated.
In any event, since I did not feel that his rights were violated
I did not grant a waiver for this course or permission to take it
elsewhere. Since Prof. Christiansen is currently the only
instructor for that course Mr. Crenshaw decided to withdraw from the
program.
J
From: Atnip, Gilbert W.
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:22 AM
To: White, Alan Jay
Subject: FW: Checking to make sure grievance was
filed
Jay, I wanted to follow up on this by email. It's my
understanding from our phone conversation that your perspective is
that you dealt with this grievance and that as a result, Mr.
Crenshaw withdrew from the course and from the MBA program, and that
he agreed to that resolution. Is that correct?
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In this one Jay tries to wiggle out of having to be the one to file the
grievance by saying the form requires me to submit it straight to academic
affairs, not him. That's not what the flow chart seems to show, nor is it
the way other IU documentation seemed to indicate. If I had not filed it
correctly, then it is his duty to tell me, not to just let it drop because it is
inconvenient. If Jay did not think he was the one that the grievance was to be
filed with, then why did he write "At
this point, if you wish to continue with an official grievance you will need to
provide me with a signed copy of the grievance form (the electronic version did
not have a signature) so we can continue the process."? I did
not choose "to bring over a signed copy of the grievance on the 6th
anyway so that we would have a signed copy on file", I brought over the signed
copy so the grievance process would continue, as Jay White said I would need to do, I
never accepted Jay White's informal resolution as he seems to be trying to say. Jay also has the dates wrong,
I brought the signed copy over on the 4th, Jay is the one who said he was
holding it until the 6th (and I told him on the 4th to go ahead and file it). I
also submitted my signed copy before we
ever had a meeting, not afterwards as Jay says (he made all of his decisions
before ever talking to me in person). So, because he responded to the first round before I brought
over a
signed copy, he does not have to respond there after when an official grievance
is filed? I think that it is pretty clear that I disagreed with his opinions and
intended to appeal it up the chain after the official filing, but I guess he
assumed he had the right to ignore it and not send it on to the next level. Face it Jay, after the meeting which took place on 11/11/2009 you just let it drop,
and never told me it was in a stopped state so I could appeal.
From:
White, Alan Jay <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
Sent:
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 3:47 PM
To:
Atnip, Gilbert W.
Subject:
Dean White's finding and communication to Adrian Crenshaw regarding
grievance
Gil,
My investigation finding email to Adrian. I
also have his response, my response to his response and his response
to that. I think I clearly stated that there was no justifiable
cause for an official grievance. He filed anyway and I still stand
by my original statement that there is no support for his claims.
He also wanted to take the exam and have a 3rd
party "grade" it. I refused that request.
Jay
<His response already printed above> |
From:
Atnip, Gilbert W. <gatnip(-at-)ius.edu>
Sent:
Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:22 PM
To:
White, Alan Jay
Subject:
RE: Adrian Crehshaw
Thanks, Jay. It
would probably be good if my office had a copy of what's in your
files.
From: White, Alan Jay
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 3:35 PM
To: Atnip, Gilbert W.
Subject: Adrian Crehshaw
Gil,
Although Adrian sent an email version of his
grievance to me on Oct. 20, 2009, he later supplied a signed copy
(after a few days of discussion and a meeting with him). He
delivered a signed copy on 11/6/2009. With that signed copy he
provided no new information or evidence to support his original
claim made on 11/20/2009.
Regarding the recording/filing I'm not sure if
there was a problem with his procedure or not. The grievance form
clearly states that the grievance is not "officially filed" until
the form is submitted to either (1) Office of Equity & Diversity,
(2) Office of Student Affairs, (3) Office of Academic Affairs, or
(4) Office of Human Resources. That was not done as the grievance
was filed directly to the dean's office. There is room to think
that filing directly, in the case of an academic complaint, to the
dean was appropriate because the grievance form states "Please read
the IU Southeast Grievance Process (flow chart) prior to filing a
complaint." The form is online here (http://www.ius.edu/ccp/studentaffairs/files/GRIEVANCE-PROCESS-FLOW-CHART.pdf
). Because this form shows the deans role in investigation he may
have thought that the grievance form was supposed to come directly
to me.
In any event, after an investigation involving
a discussion with all parties, including trying to advise Mr.
Crenshaw on what he needed to do to continue in the program, I found
the grievance did not have merit. I informed Mr. Crenshaw by email
on Wednesday November 4, 2009 that there was not cause for the
grievance (based on his electronic submission). He chose to bring
over a signed copy of the grievance on the 6th anyway so
that we would have a signed copy on file. In addition he also chose
to respond to me via email, point-by-point why he disagreed with my
finding.
All of this correspondence is on file both
electronically and in paper format in my office. If that is not the
appropriate location for it we can make copies, or the original
file, available to your office.
J
A. Jay White
Dean and Associate Professor of Finance
School of Business
Indiana University Southeast
New Albany, IN 47150
812-941-2325
jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu
If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away
from him. An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest.
– Benjamin Franklin |
When I show policy Atnip does not like, he freaks out a bit. Not sure how
Googling might be "thought
he could put one over on us", the old policy (the one with details) was
still out there, and I did not know it was "old policy" at the time. His tone
seems adversarial, as oppose to just trying to sort out the facts.
From:
Atnip, Gilbert W. <gatnip(-at-)ius.edu>
Sent:
Monday, September 19, 2011 1:58 PM
To:
Garvey-Nix, Ruth C
Subject:
RE: grievance
I'll wait to hear from you before I respond. I was concerned
when I saw where the link led. Of course, he is very tech savvy and
maybe thought he could put one over on us.
From: Garvey-Nix, Ruth C
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 12:55 PM
To: Atnip, Gilbert W.
Subject: RE: grievance
This is weird---I need to spend some time looking into this.
This link below and the info it goes to is NOT out there now---and
hasn't been for quite a while. I'll have to research when that was
active and how he could access that now.
___________________________________
Ruth C. Garvey-Nix, Ph.D.
Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs
4201 Grant Line Road
New Albany, In 47150
812-941-2420
___________________________________
From: Atnip, Gilbert W.
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 12:46 PM
To: Garvey-Nix, Ruth C
Subject: FW: grievance
Ruth, see the link in #2. He seems to have found a link to the
old policies. Did you know this was out there? It makes responding
to him more complicated.
From:
irongeek(-at-)gmail.com
[mailto:irongeek(-at-)gmail.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Crenshaw
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:21 PM
To: Atnip, Gilbert W.
Subject: Re: grievance
Hello Dr. Atnip,
Sorry to bother you again, but there are still a few outstanding
issues I would like to resolve.
1. No offence intended in this, but you seem to have a typo in the
faculty member name from your last response. It should be
Christiansen. I assume records are computerized, and want to make
sure names are correct so they can be found in searches.
2. I'm still curious to know if Dr. White followed policy and
forwarded the materials on to you, or if you only received them when
I brought it up again this summer. I never heard back from him after
I made the formal complaint and brought the signed copy to the MBA
office. Based on my understanding of:
http://www2.ius.edu/studentaffairs/studentcode_part1.cfm
it should have been brought to you after 21 days. If it was not,
then I have another grievance to file concerning Dr. White. As far
as I can tell, I submitted it to him and it fell into a hole and was
forgotten.
3. Did the "Campus Grievance Commission" ever see it? My
understanding is there are students on this commission as well, and
I would certainly like them to review it.
4. I realize I should have followed up in a quicker time frame, but
I had other pressing matters with my new master program and various
conferences. Granted, many of the "desired outcomes" I asked for no
longer apply as I've had to move to a new program. Still, I'd like
the Campus Grievance Commission to have a look at it, including all
materials I submitted, and Dr. White's response (which was quite
dismissive, one sided, and in part vaguely intimidating as to filing
the grievance vs. being able to stay in the program).
Thanks,
Adrian Crenshaw
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Ok, so there were notes made, and I seem to be right about the copy and paste
job.
From:
Atnip, Gilbert W. <gatnip(-at-)ius.edu>
Sent:
Thursday, September 08, 2011 1:00 PM
To:
Andrews, Teresa A
Subject:
FW: Notes on review of Adrian Crenshaw
grievance against Linda Christiansen.docx
Attachments:
Notes on review of Adrian
Crenshaw grievance against Linda Christiansen.docx
Print and file the
attached with all the materials that Crenshaw sent us.
From: White, Alan Jay
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:02 PM
To: Atnip, Gilbert W.
Subject: Notes on review of Adrian Crenshaw grievance
against Linda Christiansen.docx
Gil,
Attached are my notes from 11/4/2009
summarizing the steps I took and findings regarding Mr. Crenshaw's
grievance.
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Now for this one, I'm going to add my comments in red.
Notes on review of Adrian Crenshaw grievance
against Linda Christiansen.
1.
Adrian forwarded email with grievance and documents
supporting his position to me on. Oct. 20, 2009. This documentation
included a letter from a meeting with the Professor and with the
Graduate Director, Jon Bingham, indicating that the student had
engaged in unacceptable and unprofessional behavior for graduate
business coursework; Disruptive and damaging to the classroom and
others; and Grade Concerns and Warnings.
(Student Comments: He
seems to have the preconceived notion that the above is more than
opinion.)
2.
It should be noted that the instructor, Professor
Christiansen, had approached me with issues related to this student
prior to the student's meeting with the professor and the graduate
director. The instructor indicated that the student had been
bringing up what she thought were inappropriate examples in class
and on some of the discussion threads. (Student
Comments: Are you sure you have the timing right? The discussion
threads had just started, and pretty much my first post got me in the
meeting. I don't see how she could have discussed previous ones with
you as there was no time. Can you name one? I don't think you are
remembering this correctly.) When she asked the student
to move on or indicated that the subject was closed the student
continued, or brought the subject up again at a later time.
(Student Comments: I addressed those in my comments, so much for
seeing both sides. Read what I posted, seemed on topic, and again no
clear instruction was given and I did not take a lot of time. I also
recall raising my hand, if she had a problem with what I said why
respond and let me speak?) This return to a closed subject
or a subject the instructor had deemed irrelevant to the discussion
at hand was disruptive to the flow of the class. A student is free
to express a disagreement with an idea as part of student/academic
freedoms. However, when bringing up outliers or risky subjects one
must realize that the instructor, and peers, also have a right to
disagree. (Student Comments: I never said they
did not have a right to disagree. Also, what does "outliers or risky
subjects" have to do with it, don't they have a right to disagree
regardless? And who decides what is an outlier or risky subject?) Furthermore when the
instructor has indicated that it's time to move on, a wise person
would move on. (Student Comments: What an
insulting way to put it, and she never clearly said to move on as I
have stated elsewhere such as in my grievance. So
much for listening to both sides.) My suggestion to Professor Christiansen was to have
a sit-down discussion and try to guide the student towards classroom
and thread discussions that were more in-line with what she was
trying to achieve for the class. This discussion did not happen as
the student posted another thread/topic that the instructor viewed
as out-of-bounds, or beyond the scope of what was to be discussed. (Student
Comments: The out of bounds post was the one on pedophiles and
picture producers, read my comments on the book and the rap song
above, I'm not sure Jay did.) This, in turn, precipitated the
meeting with the graduate director on September 30.
3.
Investigation:
a.
I reviewed all of the student's documentation. The student wishes:
i.
to have his midterm exam results compared to others in the class by
someone other than Professor Christiansen,
ii.
Take the law and ethics course elsewhere,
iii.
That someone inform Professor Christiansen that her method of
handling the situation was inappropriate, and
iv.
The letter of Sept. 30 from the Grad Director removed from his file.
b.
I discussed the situation again with the Graduate Director and with
the Instructor to get clarification on the need for, and intended
results from, the September 30 meeting between the Grad Director,
Instructor, and student. The meeting, and letter, were informal and
intended to guide the student on expected behaviors for the class.
This was done informally to avoid the formal grievance process
against a student and to prevent a "permanent" record going on file
in the Student Affairs office. (Student
Comments: It said in the letter that it was going in my student
file, and that the next step was to talk to the vice chancellor of
student affairs, how is this unofficial? Are the School of Business'
records (my student file which lists the incident, but only the
instructor's version and not mine according to the copy I got from IU legal) not "permanent"?
Basically they deliberately bypassed the rights I had to a fair
hearing as outlined in policy by making it "informal ", yet
were still able to penalize me by giving me a 0 in participation.
Given this, why would a professor with a grudge ever choose to do
things formally? If Jay thinks the complaints against me from the
memo were guidance, then why does he call them "charges" in his email to me?) The intent was
advisory and was strongly worded so that there would be no ambiguity
as to expectations for remaining class discussions. A copy of the
letter, which summarized the meeting, was given to the student
although the student seemed concerned that it was in paper form, and
not electronic. (Student Comments: I think it
is obvious why I wanted an electronic version, so it could easily be
duplicated for comment and to show others. It's also interesting
that the IU lawyers decided to send me scanned PDFs of printed
emails rather than a more search engine/Internet friendly format.)
c.
I discussed the situation with the Vice-Chancellor for Student
Affairs. She felt that, based on the instructor's unsuccessful
attempts to guide the student back towards appropriate discussion
that a grievance could have been filed against the student if we
chose to pursue it based on violations of the Student Code of
Conduct.
(Student Comments: Again, presumption of
guilt. Tell me, in what way did I violate the Student Code of
Conduct? I've showed you where you have violated student rights, can
you even quote a rule I broke without using a radical
reinterpretation? In addition, your choice of words, "if we
chose to pursue it" instead of "they", shows you were already taking
sides and not being impartial.)
d.
My analysis of the documents provided by the student lead to the
following conclusions:
i.
Some of the material and questions did seem appropriate for the
course subject matter, keeping in mind that I am not an expert in
the area.
(Student Comments: Well, at least he will
admit that much.)
ii.
Some of the student's posting seemed extremely risqué and
inappropriate (the co-worker affair example). The instructor headed
this off, in what appeared to be a most pleasant manner and went on
to provide advice on the other, more relevant questions. (Student
Comments: Read some of the examples from the book and stop being a
prude (see "My Response" above). What about the other students
talking about the TV show Snapped, lingerie and their boyfriends'
misbehavior? It's convenient to be able to pick and choose your
facts.) From my discussion with the instructor
questions/comments that were similar to the co-worker affair
question were typical from this student. (Student
Comments: Hardly, and if that particular jest was really a major
factor why is it not explicitly mentioned in her complaint memo?) In addition they were often not related to
the discussion (according to the instructor) and the student would
return to such topics even after being told the class was moving
on. (Student Comments: As I indicated so
many times in my original grievance materials, she did not make it
clear that the topic was closed, and never really addressed it, so
much for not being bias and taking both sides into account.) The student indicated that he was "joking" with the comment but
I fail to understand why someone would "joke" when submitting
questions for a graded discussion thread. (Student
Comments: The questions in email were not in a discussion thread, nor
graded, nor a submission. I pointed this out in my grievance files,
which you claim to have read multiple times. How can you call what you do
investigating when you don't even know where something
was said, nor in what context?) Furthermore, considering the
student's large amount of experience in the electronic world, one
would expect him to realize the ease with which something can be
misunderstood. To me, it is not obvious that the student was joking
considering the student's past comments about Jews in the basement
and so on. This comment is in poor taste, inappropriate, and shows
poor judgement. (Student Comments: What was
wrong with that comment? Did you even know what I said? That part
was not a joke, and I think the Holocaust is a great (if extreme)
example to use when illustrating unethical laws. Or are you
referring to the first question in the email? Your imprecise use of
the terms post/email/comment makes it hard to follow, and makes me
wonder if you really know what was actually said and where.)
iii.
There seems to be a situation where the student pushes the
envelope on what is considered polite, meaningful discussion. For
example, the student re-named an article, "Polanski: Picture
Producers Protect Pedo." The student correctly noted that there are
other examples from the textbook such as "A Grease Monkey's Uncle,
er, Agent," but in my analysis not come so far or use language that
is quite as titillating. This kind of behavior is exactly what the
instructor described to me prior to the Sept. 30 meeting.
(Student Comments: Again, did you even read
the rap song and other titles? Also, how much attention did you
really pay if you can't even get the title right of my supposedly
offensive posting (the one you quote it closer to Linda's incorrect
version)? I called the write-up (not sure why you referred to it as
"re-named", it's a write-up) "Polanski: Picture Producers Promoting
Pedos". All you had do to was copy and paste it. I also find it
disturbing that you think the word pedo is "titillating", that says
more about you than it does me. If "This kind of behavior is exactly
what the instructor described", care to give examples? To me this
sentence demonstrates a bias Jay had going into the whole process.)
iv.
The student disagrees in multiple instances on the instructors'
evaluation of the student and often states that he disagrees and the
professional judgment is an aesthetic, flexible item. This may be
true, but the instructor is the ultimate arbitrator as to what is
appropriate, and to how much flexibility is allowed, when conducting
classroom or online discussions. The instructor's responsibility is
to communicate when something is out of bounds, or beyond the scope,
or irrelevant and move on. This was attempted verbally in class,
and in the Sept. 30 meeting. (Student
Comments: No, she did not try to communicate it, she saved it up for
one big complaint and then told me I had a zero in class
participation when it was too late for me to do anything about
it.)
v.
Instead of taking the advice from the Sept. 30 meeting the student
seems intent on arguing his point. In my opinion this attitude
seems pervasive as evidenced by the student's attempts to get
consultation from other members of the campus community such as
<redacted>. My strong suggestion would
be for the student to look at doing what's needed to complete the
coursework, and listen less to people who want to be combative and
obstructive. (Student Comments: So it's wrong
to look into your rights, and defend them? So, helping a fellow
student find policy that protects his rights is "combative and
obstructive"? Jay, have you read the tone of your own emails?) Related to this
is the whole "Jews in the basement" discussion relating to Nazi
Germany. The student's right to share an idea, or point of view was
not infringed upon and some classroom time was devoted to the
subject. Rather it seems the student is upset that he was unable to
sway the instructor and the majority of the class to his view point
and seems upset that the instructor eventually had to move on to
another subject.
(Student Comments: Where is Jay getting this?
No, not being able to sway them was not my problem (I have no idea
if I "Swayed" them or not), and I'm not sure swaying is even the
right term. Not sure most of the people in the class even had an
opinion. Also, my "view point" was "While it's illegal to lie
to a stormtrooper in Nazi Germany about keeping Jews in your
basement if you are, it is ethically mandated that you lie to save
lives". Do you really think that the majority of the class would not
agree with that? Did you even know what I really said? You never
seem to spell out in your write-ups what I said, which may leave
someone to think I said something positive about Nazis (which I did
not). You also take the word of the professor that I took a lot of
time with my point, which as I explained in my other comments to you
I did not. You basically took the teacher's version without
listening to mine, or giving me any of the benefit of the doubt. My problem is how the instructor reacted after the fact
(0 in class participation), not my ability to "sway" anyone to a
view point.)
vi.
The instructor chose to have her discussion in the presence of the
graduate director because she was physically afraid of the student. (Student
Comments: Why? What did I do that was physically intimidating? This
seems like it will become the new go to excuse when a teacher does
not want to deal with a student in a professional manner. If she was
physically afraid of me, why did she walk up to me in Wal-Mart after
the meeting, lay a hand on me, and say she understood it was
stressful for me?) I do not believe the fear was irrational
(Student Comments: Based on?) and in
any event the discussion was extended to the person most likely to
be able to provide academic advice to the student, the Director of
Graduate Business Programs.
vii.
I personally examined some of the student's exam questions
and some questions from another student in the class. Although I am
not personally an expert in the field it appears clear that there is
a qualitative difference in the responses and that the instructor
was not biased in grading the exam. Furthermore the instructor
provided a great deal of detail regarding what would have been
appropriate responses to the questions. I have not had another
instructor in this area examine the questions and do not feel that
it is warranted in this case. (Student
Comments: And who chose which student's to compare to mine? Did she
hand pick the most extensively written out exam to compare to mine? Why are
you scared to even let me have a copy?)
viii.
The student feels his participation and exam scores are
unjustified. Such an assertion is common for a student who has
received a grade below what they feel they deserve. Every student
has a right to question their grade and get clarification but
ultimately the grade is the instructor's assessment. The instructor
has provided adequate feedback in this case, both through the
advising meeting and through written comments on the exam and
written replies to Mr. Crenshaw's online threads. Mr. Crenshaw
retains the right to go over his exam with the instructor but the
exam is property of the university and will not be turned over to
the student to keep nor will a copy be provided.
(Student Comments: Again, why not just let me
have a copy of the exam? Also, did you not say elsewhere that you had not
analyzed the participation part of the grade yet? See the
document above labeled "Gmail - Chance to look over Test.pdf".
In addition, what good is feedback that comes too late for a student
to do anything about it? The "advising meeting" was not useful
feedback that a student could act on and essentially told me I had
already failed the class, the exam feedback was illegibly (which you
did not let me see again to decipher) and I'm not sure what thread
replies you are referring to (he may be confusing terms again and
referring to email).)
ix.
The student makes multiple comments that he feels the instructor is
"nitpicking" but again, that's what instructor's do. They take an
argument, answer, etc. and pick it apart and provide feedback,
hopefully constructive.
(Student Comments: No, her "nitpicks" were not
constructive, if you think the wording or content of the attack memo was
constructive criticism then I am glad I never worked for you or had you
as a professor.)
x.
The student mentioned the "Jews in your basement" comment was a
fairly common thing to bring up in a philosophy class when talking
about ethics. This is not a philosophy class but a business law and
ethics class and should be viewed through those eyes.
(Student Comments: Again, ethics is a branch
of philosophy, and the text book brings up philosophy and
philosophers. Read my comments above on philosophy for more
details.)
xi.
On November 4, I spoke with <redacted>,
Coordinator of Access Services, as Mr. Crenshaw
indicated that conversations regarding his classroom performance may
have taken place between Ms. <redacted> and the instructor. Ms. <redacted>'s
report to me corroborates that of the instructor that no pertinent
student performance or grade details were discussed.
(Student Comments: Ok, but what was said and
was it appropriate for the teacher to make those comments to a
coworker of a student? You don't seem to want to tell the full story
here of what was said. I think throughout your "investigation" you
were not looking for the truth, but for slivers of evidence to
support the verdict you had already decided was most convenient for
you and fellow faculty.)
xii.
On November 4, I spoke with <redacted>, the Coordinator of
Public Services in the Library. The discussion was in relation to
Mr. Crenshaw's assertion that a possible FERPA violation had
occurred. <redacted> indicated
that a friendly discussion was had by the instructor, Mr. Crenshaw,
and herself. <redacted> said she
told Ms. Christiansen that "she just loved Adrian" and that Ms.
Christensen commented that "well we just need to keep him focused."
This seems to be the extent of any classroom discussion and no
public records or grades were revealed. This does not appear to be
a FERPA violation.
(Student Comments: See my comments above, but
talking to a student's coworkers about him being disruptive or a
distraction is not appropriate. I don't remember being involved in
the conversation, and I don't think you are recounting all of what
was said in points xi and xii above.)
xiii.
A discussion between <redacted> and Linda Christiansen
apparently happened on Sept. 30th relating to Mr.
Crenshaw. However, Mr. Crenshaw brought
<redacted> to the meeting
himself although she wasn't allowed to sit in on the conversation.
Mr. Crenshaw has not indicated that he has an issue with any
discussions between <redacted> and Ms. Christiansen.
(Student Comments: Maybe because I did not
know at the time.)
e.
Overall Conclusion: There appears to be no justifiable cause for an
official grievance. The student is free to express his
dissatisfaction with his grade and disagree with the topic at hand
but the grading process has been done in a fair and equitable
manner. The instructor and graduate director (who also serves as
advisor to graduate students) tried to provide guidance for the
student for this course. At this time Mr. Crenshaw does not seem
inclined to follow such advice. (Student
Comments: Read: Does not feel like rolling over and taking it
without defending himself.) As the advice relates to the
expectations of Prof. Christiansen for the B516 course I do not see
how the student will be able to successfully complete the course.
The course is a requirement of the MBA and MSSF programs and cannot
be waived without approval of the Graduate Business Programs
Committee. (Student Comments: Which you
dropped the ball on.) Regarding the manner in which the meeting between the
student, graduate director, and instructor took place I do agree
that it would have been less stressful for the student, and
preferred in my opinion, for a frank discussion to have been had
between the instructor and the student first. (Student
Comments: I thought it was a copy and paste job (see comments
above). I wonder if I should do research into "copy & paste text
forensics"?) However, the
instructor felt the student was not fully understanding her
classroom exhortations and felt the need to have the Graduate
Director there to stress the seriousness and importance of the
classroom expectations. Whereas this would have been preferred, and
as there was no official student code violation grievance filed, the
method by which this was handled does not appear to have violated
any rights held by the student. (Student
Comments: The grievance policy is meant in part to protect student
rights, by calling the meeting unofficial you bypass those rights
(like me having a witness and being able to prepare a defense) but
can still penalize the student. More comments on this subject and
how they like to wiggle out of respecting student rights are above.)
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When I got my student file from IU Legal, it did not include my response to
the memo given to me on at the Sept. 30th meeting (I assume they sent me the
complete file). They could not even bother to put my side of things in the
record, just the bare meeting memo itself. Bizarrely, one of the things in my
student file was a garbled message I tried to post to Oncourse. It was garbled
because I copied and pasted from MS Word, and I guess it looked a little like an XSS. No idea why they decided to include that in my student file.
Things to learn for others filing academic grievances: Ask to see your
student file, don't just trust that they will add your side because you
requested it. The "Amendment of Education Records" section of FERPA may help you
with this.
Well, I suppose I've said my peace on the matter. Hope these notes help some
other student if they ever have to file a grievance, but if the admins want to
ignore your side, they will. Best of luck to all others fighting the good fight.
Continued: Amendment of records, FERPA and getting your side put in the record
This section will be more advice than anything I imagine.
As stated above, there were many questions I had about IUS policy, if it was
legit, and if certain statements were true. I addressed these questions to
people dealing with IU policy. It took some time to get a response since some
people deferred to others, who had to request information from IUS
administration. Based on previous experience I imagine a lot of the delay was
not the IU people's fault, but waiting on the IUS administration to respond and
having to send them reminders. As for getting back a formal answer to a signed
grievance, apparently Jay White felt he had the right to ignored the grievance
after it was formally filed, and that his first answer was enough. This lead the
IU lawyer to think I never appealed. I never knew I had to appeal! Even some of
Jay's emails seemed to indicate things would have to wait until after the formal
grievance procedures had finished, which he never got back to me on, so I never
knew to appeal, and he knew I intended to. Granted, after a few months went by
with no answer I should have asked again, but one of the people in the chain was
my boss's boss's boss so I had some fears of retaliation and I had just started
a new degree program. I also asked that my version of events be put in the
records, as well as amendments. By my understanding of FERPA, they have to do this or tell you they
are not, but you have to be given a response. I assumed they had, but when I got
my student file my amendment/side of the story was not there.
Things to learn for others filing academic grievances:
You have to drag university administration kicking and screaming
through the grievance and records amendment process, you can not trust them to
do something just because you asked them to and you can not expect them to
follow through. It's unfortunate, but if they feel like they can ignore you they
will, by dragging their feet and being obstructive in hopes that you will just
forget the whole matter. In other words, you have to be a pest to make sure they
do what they are suppose to do. I've contacted FPCO (the people in charge of
handling FERPA violations) about the matter. Getting the FPCO to listen is
another matter however. Apparently the right to even have your side put in the
record has exceptions. To quote from their site, first they say "If, as a result
of the hearing, the school still decides not to amend the record, the eligible
student has the right to insert a statement in the record setting forth his or
her views" but later put in exceptions "Thus, while FERPA affords eligible
students the right to seek to amend education records which contain inaccurate
information, this right cannot be used to challenge a grade or an individual's
opinion, or a substantive decision made by a school about a student." Wait, so I
can't put my side in if the record I have a problem with involves a grade,
opinion, or substantive decision (which could possibly mean anything)? So, when
would a student ever be allowed to put their side in? Everything I can think of
where a school would want to not change a record falls into those categories, so
when does a student ever get a chance to have their side of events put into the
record as well?
IUS MBA Grievance, FERPA and IU
Policy vs IUS Policy
16 messages
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Fri, May 4, 2012 at 6:38
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To: kennedjc(-at-)indiana.edu
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Hello Mr. Kennedy,
While this grievance happened long ago, I
wanted to see if IUS Policy can differ as much as it
seems to from IU General Policy. I noticed this on
the following IU site:
http://policies.iu.edu/policies/categories/academic-faculty-students/university-student-services-systems/USSS-06-student-rights-under-FERPA.shtml
The right to request the amendment of the student's
education records that the student believes are
inaccurate, misleading, or otherwise in violation of
the student's privacy rights under FERPA. A student
who wishes to ask the University to amend a record
should write the University official responsible for
the record, clearly identify the part of the record
the student wants changed, and specify why it should
be changed. If the University decides not to amend
the record as requested, the University will notify
the student in writing of the decision and the
student's right to a hearing regarding the request
for amendment. Additional information regarding the
hearing procedures will be provided to the student
when notified of the right to a hearing.
Most of the below is just general background
information to explain the problems (granted, copied
and pasted from a document I have been working on).
The part that would be most relevant to you is a
section in the attachment "My Response.docx" where I
asked for my response to be added to my file, and
the section in "Grievances against Linda
Christiansen.docx" where I ask for something
removed. I was never given a written response to
either, is this allowed? Also, a few other general
policy questions:
1. Is just a flowchart all we really have for
student grievances at IUS (See Gmail - Atnip's
response)? No timetables of action, or student
involvement via a grievance committee like on other
campuses?
2. Are answers to essay questions on a test the
property of the university, and does a student
really have no right to a copy? The people I have a
grievance against seem very afraid of me having a
copy for some reason. Exact quote from one of Dean
White's responses: "The exam is property of the
university however and cannot be removed nor will a
copy be provided for you to keep."
3. Is more than one and half years with no response
to a filed grievance really considered reasonable?
4. I'd like to know when my grievance was really
filed, in late 2009 when I gave it to the
department, or only after I looked into it again in
the summer of 2011. No one seems willing to answer
that.
Thanks for your time,
Adrian Crenshaw
Timeline
<I've cut this section since
it is essential an early draft of the content above> |
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| Kennedy, James Charles <kennedjc(-at-)indiana.edu>
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Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:25
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Adrian:
Thanks for your note. I'll review and get
back to you.
Best,
-Jim
James Kennedy
Associate Vice President
University Director of Financial Aid
University Student Services and Systems
Indiana University
400 East Seventh Street PO 601
Bloomington, IN 47405
812-856-4878 Office
812-856-1029 FAX
From:
irongeek(-at-)gmail.com [mailto:irongeek(-at-)gmail.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Crenshaw
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 6:39 PM
To: Kennedy, James Charles
Subject: IUS MBA Grievance, FERPA and
IU Policy vs IUS Policy
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:45
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To: "Kennedy, James Charles" <kennedjc(-at-)indiana.edu>
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Hello Jim,
Thanks for the response. Please let me know if
you need any further information.
Thanks,
Adrian
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Sun, May 20, 2012 at 10:43
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To: "Kennedy, James Charles" <kennedjc(-at-)indiana.edu>
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Hello Jim,
Any feed back as of yet?
Thanks,
Adrian
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:27
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To: "Kennedy, James Charles" <kennedjc(-at-)indiana.edu>
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We, I got a copy of my file and
my response was not even in it.
Adrian
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| Kennedy, James Charles <kennedjc(-at-)indiana.edu>
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Mon, May 21, 2012 at 5:16
PM |
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Adrian:
Sorry for the delay. I've forwarded your
information. I hope to hear more this week
Best,
-Jim
James Kennedy
Associate Vice President
University Director of Financial Aid
University Student Services and Systems
Indiana University
400 East Seventh Street PO 601
Bloomington, IN 47405
812-856-4878 Office
812-856-1029 FAX
From:
irongeek(-at-)gmail.com [mailto:irongeek(-at-)gmail.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Crenshaw
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 2:28 PM
To: Kennedy, James Charles
Subject: Re: IUS MBA Grievance, FERPA
and IU Policy vs IUS Policy
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Mon, May 21, 2012 at 5:20
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To: "Kennedy, James Charles" <kennedjc(-at-)indiana.edu>
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| Kennedy, James Charles <kennedjc(-at-)indiana.edu>
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Fri, May 25, 2012 at 4:16
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Adrian:
Jennifer Adams in the IU Office of General
Counsel is reviewing the documents you
submitted. She will be in contact with you.
You can also reach her at
jeweadam(-at-)iu.edu
Best,
-Jim
James Kennedy
Associate Vice President
University Director of Financial Aid
University Student Services and Systems
Indiana University
400 East Seventh Street PO 601
Bloomington, IN 47405
812-856-4878 Office
812-856-1029 FAX
From:
irongeek(-at-)gmail.com [mailto:irongeek(-at-)gmail.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Crenshaw
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 5:20 PM
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Fri, May 25, 2012 at 8:18
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To: "Kennedy, James Charles" <kennedjc(-at-)indiana.edu>
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Great, thanks much.
Adrian
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:05
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To: jeweadam(-at-)iu.edu
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Hello Ms. Adams,
Any response to the questions I posted below to
Mr. Kennedy (see rest of the conversation below)? By
the way, I've already publicly posted the materials
here:
http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=reviews/ius-mba-program
Dean White is either outright lying on some points
(when our meeting happened vs. when he was given the
signed grievance and made his decision) or is very
negligent in checking his records for when events
happened. Then again, he also was not capable of
even copying and pasting a post title correctly, so
perhaps this is to be expected.
Thanks,
Adrian Crenshaw
---------- Forwarded
message ----------
From: Adrian
Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
Date: Fri, May 25, 2012 at 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: IUS MBA Grievance, FERPA and IU
Policy vs IUS Policy
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| Adams, Jennifer Westerhaus <jeweadam(-at-)iu.edu>
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Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:16
AM |
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Adrian-Thanks for your message. I have one
question for the administration at IUS; once
I receive the answer, I hope to get a
response to you in the next couple of days.
Jennifer
Jennifer Westerhaus Adams
(812) 855-9739
jeweadam(-at-)iu.edu
From:
irongeek(-at-)gmail.com [mailto:irongeek(-at-)gmail.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Crenshaw
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:05 AM
To: Adams, Jennifer Westerhaus
Subject: Fwd: IUS MBA Grievance,
FERPA and IU Policy vs IUS Policy
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:39
AM |
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To: "Adams, Jennifer Westerhaus" <jeweadam(-at-)iu.edu>
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Hello Jennifer,
Acknowledged, thanks much.
Adrian
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| Adams, Jennifer Westerhaus <jeweadam(-at-)iu.edu>
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Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:48
AM |
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Dear Adrian,
This message responds to your inquiry to me,
as well as your inquiry to Jim Kennedy on
the Bloomington campus about the grievance
process. I have coordinated the responses,
confirming with personnel at IUS, to make
sure you receive consistent and accurate
information.
1)
FERPA amendment – You do in fact have
the right to request formal amendment of
your student file. You can do so by
preparing a letter that follows the
procedure that you identified in your
message below, along with a copy of the
documents you wish to have included and/or
removed. The University will then follow the
procedure as written in terms of its
response to you.
2)
Your questions to Jim Kennedy:
a)
Flowchart: Yes, it is my
understanding that student grievances are
handled via the process identified in the
flowchart at IUS. There is not a formal
grievance committee.
b)
Yes, tests-and their answers-remain
the property of the University. There are a
number of reasons for this-students may take
the same exam at different times, for
example, or an essay question with slightly
different facts may be used in different
semesters. It is my understanding that you
were provided the opportunity to review your
answers at length and take notes, which was
designed to balance your interests with
those of the University.
c)
and d), regarding the response to
your grievance: It is my understanding that
your grievance was considered filed when you
submitted it to Dean White in 2009. I
understand that you first submitted an
inquiry informally, and though it was not
provided in a signed letter pursuant to the
grievance procedure Dean White reviewed all
of the information you provided and gave you
a lengthy response in writing that denied
your requests. When you submitted your
formal inquiry, Dean White determined that
it was the same as the prior inquiry and
determined that his response fully addressed
the issues you had identified and ensured
that you had received due process as to your
inquiry. It is my understanding that you did
not then appeal the grievance further.
Please let me know if this does not answer
your questions.
Regards,
Jennifer
Jennifer Westerhaus Adams
(812) 855-9739
jeweadam(-at-)iu.edu
From:
irongeek(-at-)gmail.com [mailto:irongeek(-at-)gmail.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Crenshaw
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:40 AM
To: Adams, Jennifer Westerhaus
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:41
AM |
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To: "Adams, Jennifer Westerhaus" <jeweadam(-at-)iu.edu>
Cc: Peter Bonilla <peter(-at-)thefire.org>
|
Hello Jennifer,
Part 1. That request was sent. See message "Checking
to make sure grievance was filed" sent on "Mon, Jul
11, 2011 at 1:40 PM". It was not in the student file
you sent me, they also did not say it was not being
added. They need to add it now and I have contacted
the FPCO.
Part 2.
a. I know this is not your responsibility, but
it is a sad state of affairs when a flow chart is
all we have, with little details. Please see Dean
White's excuses in the link I sent you previous
where he seemed to claim he was not the one the
grievance was suppose to go to (despite previous
claims that he was). Exact quote:
"Regarding the recording/filing I'm not sure if
there was a problem with his procedure or not. The
grievance form clearly states that the grievance is
not "officially filed" until the form is submitted
to either (1) Office of Equity & Diversity, (2)
Office of Student Affairs, (3) Office of Academic
Affairs, or (4) Office of Human Resources. That was
not done as the grievance was filed directly to the
dean's office. There is room to think that filing
directly, in the case of an academic complaint, to
the dean was appropriate because the grievance form
states "Please read the IU Southeast Grievance
Process (flow chart) prior to filing a complaint."
The form is online here (http://www.ius.edu/ccp/studentaffairs/files/GRIEVANCE-PROCESS-FLOW-CHART.pdf
). Because this form shows the deans role in
investigation he may have thought that the grievance
form was supposed to come directly to me."
If Dean White did not think he was the one that the
grievance was to be filed with, then why did he
write "At this point, if you wish to continue with
an official grievance you will need to provide me
with a signed copy of the grievance form (the
electronic version did not have a signature) so we
can continue the process." in a previous email, or
tell me where to file it? This of lack of detail
leads to this sort of abuse.
b. I do not remember signing away copyright to
my written work, is there fine print I missed (could
be)? I had a brief chance to see the test, but could
not read the teacher's handwriting. White was
suppose to set up another time for me to study the
test at length and take notes, but dropped the ball.
Also, it seems that a teacher would have to be very
lazy not to make up new essay questions for a test,
especially as remebering the gist of an essay
question to pass on to the next class is far easier
than remembering many multiple choice questions. In
any event, it seems she was already making different
exams for different classes as she did not allow me
to take the test with the other class (after we
already agreed that I could), saying "The other
class has different conditions so that is not
possible. "
c. I intended to appeal, but he never got back
to me after the formal grievance was filed, White
even telling me things like "Regarding an
independent study I'm afraid that any consideration
will have to wait until after the grievance process
is completed." after I brought over the signed copy
and started the formal process. He never let it
complete, so I did not know to pass it up the chain.
In hind sight I should have been more of a pest, but
as I worked there at the time I feared retribution.
As I now have a formal response of a sort, I would
like to file the appeal up the chain, then after
Atnip most likely makes an excuse, appeal it there
after as well.
Please read the link
http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=reviews/ius-mba-program
for corrections to many of the things they have
said. Also, I assume you are aware that I am doing
all of this in the open, and posting my
correspondence publicly on that page. I'm not sure
how else to get the administration at IUS to respect
student rights.
Sorry if this seems hostile, and I know you are just
doing your job. I started my communications with the
IUS administration politely, but I find it hard to
maintain that veneer after reading some of their
statements towards me and the process.
Thanks for your time,
Adrian Crenshaw
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| Adams, Jennifer Westerhaus <jeweadam(-at-)iu.edu>
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Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 4:40
PM |
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Adrian--So I'm clear on your request, I
understand that you want to have the message
"Checking to make sure grievance was filed"
sent on 7/11/11 to be included in your
student file. I will see that it is. If I am
wrong, please let me know. Jennifer
Jennifer Westerhaus Adams
(812) 855-9739
jeweadam(-at-)iu.edu
From:
irongeek(-at-)gmail.com [mailto:irongeek(-at-)gmail.com]
On Behalf Of Adrian Crenshaw
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 11:42
AM
To: Adams, Jennifer Westerhaus
Cc: Peter Bonilla
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 5:17
PM |
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To: "Adams, Jennifer Westerhaus" <jeweadam(-at-)iu.edu>
|
Thanks Jennifer,
Yes, I would like that filed, but better yet you
could just print out that webpage because it is more
fleshed out. Still, there is the fact that they
ignored the initial request, so I'm still pursuing
that. I would also like the aborted greviance
process continued, tough my "Relief Requested" has
changed. Now I'd like for them to enforce a
grievance policy closer to the one at IU, with real
details, and not just a flow chart.
Thanks,
Adrian
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| Adams, Jennifer Westerhaus <jeweadam(-at-)iu.edu>
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Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:42
AM |
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
|
Adrian: I will see that a printout of the
text on your webpage at
http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=reviews/ius-mba-program,
as of today, is placed in your file in lieu
of the other e-mail.
As for your request
about the grievance process, I'm not clear
on what you mean. It's my understanding that
your next step is to contact Vice Chancellor
Atnip and request formal appeal of your
grievance. I'm not sure that the grievance
process itself is the place to request
enforcement of a different grievance policy,
but you are of course entitled to make that
request.
Regards,
Jennifer
Jennifer Westerhaus Adams
(812) 855-9739
jeweadam(-at-)iu.edu
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:16
AM |
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To: "Adams, Jennifer Westerhaus" <jeweadam(-at-)iu.edu>
|
Hi Jennifer,
After considering it a bit more, I've decided
that appealing the grievance (that was never
formally responded to so I could appeal), to a
person who knew about it but did not care to see
things followed through, for requested relief that
no longer directly matters to me, is probably not
the most useful thing to do. I'm not sure how to
express the previous item as one thought without
making it a run-on sentence. Instead I will try to
coordinate with the local SGA and whoever they hirer
as the new Vice Chancellor of Student Affairs (Nix
is gone) to see if I can cause enough of a stink
that the administration will care and make a real
enforceable grievance policy. Atnip is retiring
before long, as well as the Chancellor as I
understand it. Maybe with enough of the current
administration gone the campus will become a better
place for students. That is my goal.
I still find it frustrating that they can ignore
my requests to put my side into the file, as well as
ignoring other items, without any sort of
repercussions. I'm glad you are doing it now, but
the point is that they should have done it and I
should not have had to contact IU legal to see that
it was done. It seems like a sad state of affairs
that university administrators have no real
oversight or reason to follow the rules or even
follow common courteous conduct.
Thanks for your time, and for being far more
responsive than the IUS administration,
Adrian
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|
Asking who is
on the "Graduate Policies Committee"
I started asking around about who
was on the "Graduate Policies Committee" that was mentioned in the memo from the
Sept. 30th meeting so I could email them. Only got one response from a person
that did not know. I sent another email and got this back from the same person
(truncated to remove names):
As a university employee, I was informed to provide the following
response to you.
"We understand that you have received a full response regarding your
grievance (and related concerns) from the Office of the Vice
President and General Counsel on June 6 and 7 of this year.
Accordingly, we consider the matter closed. Please direct all
future communication regarding this or related matters to the Office
of the Vice President and General Counsel." |
Looks like the lawyers told them not to talk to me. So much for openness on
campus. I also have another email conversation with Atnip that is telling of
their attitudes:
Add to grievance file
3 messages
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Wed, Jul 18, 2012
at 8:11 AM |
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To: "Atnip, Gilbert W." <gatnip(-at-)ius.edu>
|
Hi Gil,
Please print this page out and add it to
the grievance files the accreditation
commission sees:
http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=reviews/ius-mba-program
It corrects many of Jay's incorrect
statements.
Thanks,
Adrian Crenshaw
--
"The ability to quote is a serviceable
substitute for wit." ~ W. Somerset Maugham
"The ability to Google can be a serviceable
substitute for technical knowledge." ~
Adrian D. Crenshaw
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| Atnip, Gilbert W. <gatnip(-at-)ius.edu>
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Fri, Jul 20, 2012
at 10:53 AM |
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To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
|
Mr. Crenshaw,
We understand that you have received
a full response regarding your
grievance (and related concerns)
from the Office of the Vice
President and General Counsel on
June 6 and 7 of this year.
Accordingly, we consider the matter
closed. Please direct all future
communication regarding this or
related matters to the Office of the
Vice President and General Counsel.
Thank you.
|
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Fri, Jul 20, 2012
at 11:11 AM |
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To: "Atnip, Gilbert W." <gatnip(-at-)ius.edu>
|
Hi Gil,
Interesting concept of "full response".
Also, not really relevant
to what I asked you to do. At least you are
better at copying and
pasting than Jay. I guess I do have a sense
of closure in knowing what
the real core values of IUS are (circle the
wagons and make excuses),
might me nice to take down the posters you
currently have up on the
walls all over campus though. By the way,
from your emails, I'm not
sure how Googling for policy you find
inconvenient might be translated
to "Of course, he is very tech savvy and
maybe thought he could put
one over on us." Your tone seems
adversarial, as oppose to just trying
to sort out the facts.
Adrian |
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| Atnip, Gilbert W. <gatnip(-at-)ius.edu>
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Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 3:49
PM |
|
To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
|
The response was directly
relevant to your request to add material to your
file, as per the last sentence: "Please direct all
future communication regarding this or related
matters to the Office of the Vice President and
General Counsel."
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
|
Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 4:19
PM |
|
To: "Atnip, Gilbert W." <gatnip(-at-)ius.edu>, sleaster(-at-)iu.edu
|
Hi Gil,
Ok, perhaps it's a little relevant, though I'm
not asking you a question, I'm asking you to do
something (which is put something in a file that is
in your offices as I understand it). Also, I know
your response is just a copy and paste, which I find
lacking in the personal touch. But ok, sending it to
someone at IU Counsel. Love it if you would read
that page with an "unbiased eye" and correct
problems at IUS, but somehow I don't see that
happening. Hope I have better luck with the SGA this
fall, I'm already having pretty good luck being high
in the search rankings for "IUS MBA Program" and "IUS
MBA Review" (not that I'm sure many student do much
research before deciding on IUS). I would still love
for you to explain the "put one over on us" comment
you made.
Ms. Westerfield, could you please direct the
request to the appropriate party? Yes, I know it's
in my "student file" already, but as the
accreditation people do not see my file as I
understand it, that does little good.
Thanks,
Adrian |
|
|
Then I also had this exchange with Jay.
Does he really not understand why what he did was wrong? I'll admit I have a
problem with proofreading, reading the words I meant to write instead of the
typos I did. Jay seems to have a problem understanding how snide he is, and has
an odd idea of professionalism that perhaps comes with tenure and no
accountability. After putting up with his behavior, I find myself
becoming pretty snide as well.
White, Alan Jay <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu> Tue, Jul
24, 2012 at 3:42 PM
To: "irongeek(-at-)gmail.com" <irongeek(-at-)gmail.com>
Mr. Crenshaw,
We understand that you have received a full response
regarding your grievance (and related concerns) from
the Office of the Vice President and General Counsel
on June 6 and 7 of this year. Accordingly, we
consider the matter closed. Please direct all
future communication regarding this or related
matters to the Office of the Vice President and
General Counsel.
Thank you.
A. Jay White
Dean and Associate Professor of Finance
School of Business
Indiana University Southeast
New Albany, IN 47150
812-941-2325
jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
|
Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:31
PM |
|
To: "White, Alan Jay" <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
|
Hi Jay,
I already have, though getting in contact with
someone there who will respond can be difficult.
Interesting that you can copy and paste that canned
response correctly, but can't bother to copy and
paste the
correct title for my supposedly offensive Oncourse
post right. Shows your priorities. Thanks for being,
as you might say, "combative and obstructive".
Adrian
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| White, Alan Jay <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
|
Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:58
PM |
|
To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
|
Adrian,
I am truly sorry that this issue continues to
consume you. I hope that I have been courteous and
professional in my communications with you. My cut
and paste response below is all that is left as
there has been no new information provided since
your original contact.
You have my best wishes for a successful and happy
future.
Jay
Sent from my iPad, please pardon any typos or
brevity of response.
|
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
|
Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:08
PM |
|
To: "White, Alan Jay" <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
|
Hi Jay,
You can provide more information, such as what I
asked for: Who is on the Graduate Policies
Committee? No, I would not call your behavior
"courteous and professional". For example:
1. Not telling the truth about when I complained
about student rights, and for what reason.
2. Giving the wrong information about when I gave
you the grievance/when we had a face to face meeting
vs. when you made your decisions.
3. Not getting back with me after the official
grievance was filed, or even letting me know it was
in a stopped state so I could appeal.
4. Saying in an email to Gil that you where not the
person the grievance was suppose to go to, when in
an email to me you said I needed to bring the signed
copy to you to proceed. If you did not think it was
suppose to go to you, you had the duty to tell me
who to take it to.
5. Using terms like "excuse" instead of reason for
what I was doing in class. Shows bias.
6. Not even bothering to copy the correct title of
the post.
7. Taking Linda's word on the time taken in class,
giving me no benefit of the doubt.
8. Calling someone "combative and obstructive" for
trying to help me find out my rights via IU policy.
9. So many other things if you read the document I
posted, which I have already commented on.
Actually read the things you sent me as well as
others. You think of that as "courteous and
professional"? It would have bothered me less
perhaps if it were not for the fact "ethics" was in
the title of the course. You have made be ashamed to
be and IUS alumni and have lowered my respect for
"higher education".
Adrian
|
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| White, Alan Jay <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
|
Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:00
AM |
|
To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
|
You will have to direct any inquiries to the
Office of the Vice President and General
Counsel.
Kindest regards,
Jay
|
|
|
Not real useful communication.
Shortly after this exchange, Jay
posted this to his Twitter feed: "Good advice, don't debate zealots or crazy
people. They defy logic and reason. Yes, you know who you are. 1:37 PM - 25 Jul
12". Yes, that is "courteous and professional". Granted, he could be talking
about someone else, but Jay does seem like the kind of person that would refer
to someone as a zealot and crazy for demanding that a university dean follow
through on what they are supposed to do, expects honesty, and asks for a simple list of names of
who is on a committee. This comment was before I made my most snarky comments to him
on Twitter, but I at least have the courage to add him to the Tweets so he can
respond. Does he know what logic and reason are? He does not seem to know the
definitions of ethics or sociopath. Anyone like Jay White who uses straw man
arguments and excuses like calling something unofficial so as to bypass official
policies in place to protect students clearly has little idea as to what logic
or reason are. While I admit to being obsessive, I think I
understand logic and reason better than he does. Shortly after I posted the Twitter
quote, it looks like Jay White deleted it (some people don't stand behind their
words). If Alan Jay White understood logic or reason, why would he say something
as logically asinine as "My cut and paste response below
is all that is left as there has been no new information provided since your
original contact". What "new
information" besides the name of the committee I'm trying to find the members
of would I possibly need to provide for him to be able to give me the list of
names? As a side note, IU Counsel did not respond
either. One contact I have there was on maternity leave, and the other just did
not respond. I contacted a third party at General Counsel and they did not
respond either. Their answer to a problem seems to be to ignore in and put the
student in the crank file. Seems like it would be easier just to tell me who is
on the committee. In the end, I just emailed all of the business faculty:
| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
|
Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 10:02
PM |
|
To: <redacted>
|
Well, as I have given General
Counsel plenty of time to respond to the simple
question of who is on the Graduate Policies
Committee and they have chosen not too, I guess my
only course of action is to send it to all of the
business faulty (as I assume the Graduate Policies
Committee is made up of members of the business
faculty) and that should cover all the bases. All
that I ask is that the committee read my comments
with an unbiased eye and consider if this is really
the way to respond to students:
http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=reviews/ius-mba-program
No need to reply, especially with a copy and paste.
Just consider the comments, and Google "IUS MBA".
Hope it helps other students avoid the problems I
had.
Thanks,
Adrian
|
|
| White, Alan Jay <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
|
Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 9:13
AM |
|
To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
Cc: <redacted>
|
Best regards,
Jay White
Sent from my iPad, please pardon any typos
or brevity of response.
On Oct 28, 2012, at 10:02 PM, "Adrian
Crenshaw" <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
wrote:
You will have to direct any inquiries to the
Office of the Vice President and General
Counsel.
|
|
| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
|
Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 9:28
AM |
|
To: "White, Alan Jay" <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
Cc: <redacted>
|
Which I have, and they refuse to
respond. As I stated in my previous email, don't
bother to respond if it's just going to be a copy an
paste. Since I addressed every faculty email address
I found on the Business faculty page, this should be
mission accomplished for communicating the message
to someone on the Graduate Policies Committee. No
need to contact
General Counsel as they will not bother to respond
anyway.
Adrian |
|
| White, Alan Jay <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
|
Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:08
PM |
|
To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
|
Adrian, I think you're misinterpreting the
lack of a reply. The lack of any response
beyond the "cut and paste" is no reflection
of a bias. Rather it is a simple lack of
interest in engaging someone on an issue
that has already been addressed and
discussed extensively. We've received all
of your communications, including the odd
"how do you sleep at night" ones you send
me. We have remained courteous in all of our
attempts to reply. In all this time you
have not provided anything new to your
original complaint except for where you
disagree with our response. Unless you have
a question about something else we have
nothing further to add.
Kindest regards,
A. Jay White
Dean and Associate Professor of Finance
School of Business
Indiana University Southeast
New Albany, IN 47150
812-941-2325
jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu
|
|
| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
|
Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:37
PM |
|
To: <redacted>
|
Yep, no interest in doing whats
right by a student. How hard would it have been to
answer the question of who is on the committee? Many
of the issues were not address, as I point out in
the site. Many of the things you said to Atnip were
either not true, misleading or show poor record
keeping skills on your part. You fail to address
these. The "how do you sleep at night" question was
not that odd, I'm really curious if you think you
are in the right, or are just covering. While your
communications directly with me have been snidely
courteous, I'm not sure you realize the documents I
read because of the open records request which were
most definitely not courteous (as I outline on the
site where I posted them, and in the previous
email):
http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=reviews/ius-mba-program
I have provide new material, as in the
"misstatement" you made in the records I received,
you not following through on what you were suppose
to do, and the fact that you were not even courteous
enough to put my version of events into my file. I
tried to be courteous to you initially, but having
read the emails between you and Atnip that is not
very easy. I got my say on the site, I hope it helps
others. It's already near the top of the Google
search results when someone searches for IUS MBA, so
I hope it helps others. I'm trying to do the ethical
thing here for other potential student and also make
you aware of the gaps between your current behaviors
and the expectations of a student.
Adrian
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| White, Alan Jay <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
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Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:23
PM |
|
To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
|
Adrian,
I have read what you posted, including the
items from your open records request. I
haven't been back to the site recently but
did read everything you had posted around
the time you sent your first email that had
the link. I know that you are aware that
I've been to the site. There is no new
information there and I believe my own
correspondence with others regarding your
requests stayed courteous. So, if you wish
to continue the discussion with your
original charge the only option for you is
the Office of the Vice President and General
Counsel.
J
A.
Jay White
Dean and Associate Professor of Finance
School of Business
Indiana University Southeast
New Albany, IN 47150
812-941-2325
jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu
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Of course, me adding peoples names back on the list annoys Jay.
| White, Alan Jay <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
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Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at
5:31 PM |
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To: <redacted>
|
Many of you were copied on the email
stream below. Mr. Crenshaw has an issue
for which he filed a grievance a couple
of years ago. The grievance was
investigated thoroughly at multiple
levels and there was no cause found for
it. If you choose to go to his website
you will find that he is tracking you.
He is simply refusing to take no for an
answer and apparently has significant
time on his hands. Legal Counsel has
advised that we reply to him with, "You
will have to direct any inquiries to the
Office of the Vice President and General
Counsel" or not at all.
I have been told by legal counsel that
his continued emails, etc., while
annoying, are not illegal. So, you have
my apologies for getting spammed by this
individual. I would recommend you place
his email in the spam category if you'd
prefer not to receive further
correspondence from him.
Best regards,
A. Jay White
Dean and Associate Professor of Finance
School of Business
Indiana University Southeast
New Albany, IN 47150
812-941-2325
jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu
<Removed as it was
the same content as the email directly
above>
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at
6:24 PM |
|
To: "White, Alan Jay" <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
Cc: <redacted>
|
Thanks for making it sound
more diabolical than it is Jay. Sure, I know the
IP of anyone that hits my site, how is knowing
that tracking? I don't know where anyone goes
off of my site, just on my site (same as any
webmaster). The same info could be obtained by a
simple reverse DNS look-up on the IUS IP range.
While we are on the subject of
mischaracterizations, I never asked "how do you
sleep at night", and I did not ask it multiple
times as you indicated. My question, once, was
"Does your conscious ever bother you about lying
concerning certain events and facts?", though
maybe the events and facts you got wrong were
just "misstatements" instead. I try to be more
carefully with getting your words right than you
do with mine. Let others read my site and see if
"The grievance was investigated thoroughly at
multiple levels and there was no cause found for
it". Out of courtesy, I will stop the use of
reply all, my goal was to contact the graduate
policies committee, and I assume that has been
done. You could have made that easy by just
telling me the names to begin with. Maybe they
we take my words into consideration and make IUS
a better place.
Thanks,
Adrian |
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| White, Alan Jay <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
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Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 6:45
PM |
|
To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
|
Well, I thought you'd appreciate me being
open about it. I thought the faculty should
know why they're getting odd emails from a
former student. I copied you so you'd know
my advice, although you likely already do.
Legal counsel has asked everyone here to
refer you to them as they are the
responsible party at this point. Your own
request with them made them so. I don't
know any more simple way to explain it.
As to your personal attacks against me, I am
choosing not to involve everyone on the
planet. The people that work with me on a
daily basis know my nature and fairness.
You have chosen to call me a liar in public
yet offer no evidence to support this. What
I provided to Dr. Atnip that was later
forwarded to IU legal consists largely of
electronic communications between you and I
and others regarding your grievance. As
they are both date and time stamped I'm not
sure how I fabricated anything. Despite you
calling me a liar, behaving in a threatening
manner, and painting completely biased
picture of events I have tried to remain
professional with you. I continue to do
so. In fact, it is your characterization of
me that is a falsehood. As to phrases such
as, "can you sleep at night," "how can you
live with yourself," "does your conscience
bother you," etc. they all mean the same
thing.
If you ever come up with any additional
evidence or proof for your original
grievance that factually supports any of
your claims I'll review it. Until then the
issue is resolved. You have no grounds for
a grievance.
Best regards,
J
A.
Jay White
Dean and Associate Professor of Finance
School of Business
Indiana University Southeast
New Albany, IN 47150
812-941-2325
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
|
Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 7:23
PM |
|
To: "White, Alan Jay" <jwhite04(-at-)ius.edu>
|
I would say they are more
professional attacks than personal. What counts as
courteous I'll leave alone. I've already outlined
the misstatements elsewhere, but to reiterate a few:
1. When I filed the grievance.
2. When I filed vs. when we had our meeting.
3. When we had our meeting vs. when you made your
decisions.
4. Why I brought you a signed copy (it was not just
so you would have it on file).
5. That I withdrew from the program and that I
agreed to that resolution.
All of the evidence is in the emails, I have offered
plenty of evidence in my commentary and extra emails
I cited. I never said you fabricated emails, just
facts in the emails. Also, it's not very
professional to not get back with me after the
official grievance was filed, or even let me know it
was in a stopped state so I could appeal. I should
have followed up I guess, but I also should not have
had to. Considering the good old boy/girl mentality
at IUS, it's a good thing I did not while I worked
there. You also indicate in an email to Gil that you
where not the person the grievance was suppose to go
to, when in an email to me you said I needed to
bring the signed copy to you to proceed. If you did
not think it was suppose to go to you, you had the
duty to tell me who to take it to. This is very much
a I'm "rubber, your glue" situation, having read
your comments to Atnip I'd say you were "painting
completely biased picture of events". And how have
I been threatening? I've only ever used words, but I
guess if you play up the specter of "threatening"
it's easier to get others to shut me up. You have no
grounds to feel threatened. The meanings of the
sentences you list are similar, the connotations are
not. The fact of the mater is, I care more about
fairness and accuracy in representing what you said
than you do about fairness and accuracy in what I
said.
Adrian |
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When in doubt, spread fear of tech
savvy people, I guess that's one way to keep folks from wanting to read it.
Notice Jay White does not specify
what claims he wants me to back up in his email above. I think I have given
plenty of evidence and proof that, amongst other things,
1) I was dragged into a meeting without being allowed my own witness,
2) given a 0 in class participation without warning mere hours before the last
live class, with a letter that was not written as a form of feedback but as an attack,
3) that Linda Christensen talked to my co-workers about my "behaviors" she found
annoying before she ever talked to me about them,
4) that she changed the test date on me for nebulous reasons (and despite taking the test first, I seemed to get
my grade back after everyone else I talked to, people who I could have called
as witnesses if he asked),
5) that I was not allowed to keep a copy of the exam and they never got back to
me on receiving a longer chance to review it. (Jay White even going so far as to say
at least three times in emails that I would not be able to have a copy. Why does
Jay White care more about not allowing me to have a copy of my own essay answers on the exam
and the instructor's "feedback" than he does due process?)
I gave more evidence for my side of
events than Linda Christiansen ever gave for hers. Jay White just chooses to
ignore the evidence I gave him, he's used to bullying people that care more about
the MBA degree than they do what is right and I think the fact that someone is
willing to call him on his unprofessional and discourteous behavior upsets him.
Things to learn for others filing academic grievances:
Be aware, once you involve lawyers, FERPA, and government agencies
expect folks to clam up.
It seems someone has forwarded my site to the campus police. I talked to the
campus police chief about it, but his response when I asked is that he knows
nothing about it (his username was in the reverse DNS for the site visit, he may
not understand how I know he or someone on his workstation visited), he would
not be the one to make decisions about me, and he said something to the effect
of "I don't need to know anything about you unless you have done something
criminal? Have you done something criminal?" when I asked him to check in with
others about me. I just wanted to see if someone in the administration had been
making threat allegations to try to silence me.
Things to learn for others filing academic grievances:
Be aware that if you cause trouble for some people, they may try to
mitigate you as a problem by claiming you are a physical (or maybe security)
threat of some sort. Modern universities seem to have a knee jerk reaction these
days after a few instances. I need to find a copy of the campus watch list they
had out a few years ago that seemed to indicate you might be a threat if you
played a lot of video games and did not believe in a higher power. It was so
broad a list everybody matched a few points on it.
Talking with the IUS SGA about improving the IU Southeast grievance procedures
A little while after left the
University I started emailing people involved with student policy at IU
Southeast to see if I could get some interest in reforming the grievance
procedures to be something more substantial than just a flow chart (in other
words, more like the grievance policies in Bloomington). It may be too late to
help me, but perhaps something good could come out of this whole mess for some
other students so they would not have to go through the same things I did. I
emailed not only university officials, but also people who I thought were SGA
members based on what I could scrape from websites. I also posted to numerous
Facebook pages related to IU Southeast. I did not get much response. On the IUS
SGA Facebook page I got the reply back from someone using the IU Southeast
Student Government Association account that said "It's been years. Get over it",
but this comment was deleted from the wall very quickly. Obviously this did not
sit well with me considering they are suppose to be looking out for student
interests. It seems more than one person has access to the IU Southeast SGA
account, so I'm not sure who actually sent that reply (but I have some guesses).
Here is the rest of the exchange, which became much more productive as some other SGA
member got involved:
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=457248020993921&id=111837312226571&comment_id=5022466
Please pardon odd formatting, Facebook walls do not copy and
paste well into a new page
Adrian Crenshaw posted to IU Southeast Student Government Association
November 17 at 12:40pm ·
So, any progress on putting an enforceable grievance policy in place at IUS? By
the way, deans get rather upset when you call them out publicly on not following
through and not telling the truth (or bad record keeping, not sure which it is)
http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=reviews%2Fius-mba-program#Asking_who_is_on_the_Graduate_Policies_Committee
Adrian Crenshaw "It's been years. Get over it" was the response the SGA gave me
(or whoever is in control of the Facebook item). So, no interest in helping
other students who have the same problems? Or comment on the fact IUS grievance
procedures are now just a flow chart that the administration can use in anyway
they like (they use to be more substantial)? What happened to me you can not
change, fine, but you can help other students and that is the point. These
problems still exist, the number of years do not matter (and for some it's less
than a year). Does the SGA have a point besides something to add to your resume
for you?
November 29 at 9:36am
Adrian Crenshaw Looks like the "It's been years. Get over it" comment was
deleted right after being sent.
November 29 at 9:41am
IU Southeast Student Government Association Who did you talk to?
November 30 at 11:57am
Adrian Crenshaw Notes
If you mean who made the Facebook comment as the SGA that got deleted, I do not
know who was using the account at the time. If you mean who have I talked at the
SGA about the lack of a real grievance policy, at the beginning of summer I
scraped many names off of the SGA website, the Horizon and such and emailed them
(May 13th). I don't have all the names, but here are the email addresses
(obfuscated somewhat to cut down on spam): sechan(-at-)ius.edu, EqDiv(-at-)ius.edu,
SE Student Government Association <SGAweb(-at-)ius.edu>, vlbennet(-at-)ius.edu,
mmour(-at-)ius.edu, atappel(-at-)ius.edu, mcowen(-at-)ius.edu, shamwebb(-at-)ius.edu,
mooreso(-at-)ius.edu, jeReich(-at-)ius.edu, ryanmalo(-at-)ius.ed. Some of those
are campus offices, not SGA, but I got a reply from no one. Not having an
up-to-date SGA website made it hard to find members, there seems to be new one
now but it only has two contacts that I see. At a week of welcome event I met
Jeremy Ray Eiler, my understanding a member of the SGA. I mentioned it to him
and also emailed him more details so he could bring it to the SGA. I asked in
follow up emails if he ever brought it to the SGA but received no response. I
met another person at a CLU event who was an SGA member, whose name escapes me,
that was supposed to bring it up with the SGA as well. I've also left short
flyers/notes that explained the issue under the SGA office door.
My case is too far gone for SGA to help, but they may be able to help other
students not have to go through the same thing. I've actually gone through the
process, and at the link above you will find information (partly gathered though
an open records request) that shows IUS did have a real grievance policy at one
time, very similar to the one in Bloomington, with time tables and real
procedures. Now, according to the last Vice Chancellor of Academic Affairs, a
past Vice Chancellor of Student affairs and an IU lawyer, all IUS has is a flow
chart. I can point out the relevant sections of my longer write-up it you wish.
Here is what IUS once had for grievance procedures:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060902132445/http://www.ius.edu/StudentAffairs/studentcode_part1.cfm
Do a find on my page for and email where Atnip said I might be trying to "put
one over" on them when I found policy that made his job harder. Seems they did
not know it was still out there when I Googled for it.
Here is a current document from Bloomington:
http://www.iu.edu/~code/bloomington/discipline/appendix_a.shtml
My website about the problem is long, but I felt that it had to be to get in all
that the other side said (a courtesy I was not given). I'd still like for people
to read it to understand the process, but to put it more succinctly, this is
what I would like to see to help current students:
Student involvement in a grievance commission, as it is done in Bloomington.
A time table for action to take place, as the Bloomington policy has. This will
hopefully make it so Deans can't sit on a grievance and wait for it to go as
happened with me)
A clear statement of who a grievance goes to. For example, I was told by the
Dean White to bring my grievance to him, but later he indicates to Atnip that he
was not the one it was supposed go to as an excuse for his inaction.
Clear statements on whose property essay answers to tests are, and what a
teacher can keep from you.
Policy statements that make it harder for faculty to wiggle out of following set
procedures by calling a meeting informal or unofficially so they can ignore
student rights.
Will all those be possible? I don't know. As I've said before elsewhere, it's
too late for me to receive due process, but maybe you can help insure it for
other students. If you would like for me to come to an SGA meeting to discuss it
I'd be glad to. As this semester is almost over and I'm out of town next week it
may have to be early next semester, but there's always time to do what's right
so I'd be glad to come to campus to speak on the matter.
November 30 at 2:25pm
IU Southeast Student Government Association Well I can assure you that whoever
posted that was not speaking for this organization, and we have both read all
your concerns and discussed them amongst ourselves,mainly with out student body
president and other senators. It's a lot to get a handle on, and there's a lot
of parts involved, but the first step is clearly to start a dialogue with
Bloomington and the Deans. We really hope to make a dent in this next semester,
and will definitely keep you up to date on what progress is made. We really
appreciate you bringing this to our attention.
November 30 at 8:28pm via mobile · 1
IU Southeast Student Government Association You spoke with my friend Dejan at
the CLU event, he's the Vice President of that organization and a senator in
SGA..it really is something we've talked about and looked into.
November 30 at 8:29pm via mobile
Adrian Crenshaw Thank you. Please let me know however I can help. I'd be glad to
come by and discuss it whenever needed. I just need to make arrangements with my
employer, infosec is an odd profession with sometimes odd hours.
November 30 at 8:36pm |
Hopefully I will get a chance
to speak to them soon so we can make IUS a better place for students
(Update: The Spring 2013 semester is now over, and the SGA never contacted
me).
Received a message from IU Southeast Chancellor Sandra R. Patterson-Randles
Finally heard something back from the
IU Southeast Chancellor Sandra R. Patterson-Randles. I had emailed her office
before, but it took emailing the IU
Trustees to get a response from her.
Quote on student rights
3 messages
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:12
PM |
|
To: william.cast.md(-at-)gmail.com, pshoulders(-at-)zsws.com,
marybishop(-at-)cgglawfirm.com, bdot(-at-)indiana.edu, peskew(-at-)indiana.edu,
cjgriffi(-at-)iupui.edu, tomreillyjr(-at-)hotmail.com, ricedw(-at-)indiana.edu,
william.strong(-at-)morganstanley.com, rgress(-at-)iu.edu
|
From the student code:
"Have the freedom to raise relevant issues
pertaining to classroom discussion (including
personal and political beliefs), offer reasonable
doubts about data presented, and express alternative
opinions without concern for any academic penalty.
Students have the right to expect that their work
will be evaluated by academic standards alone."
As a former student of one of the regionals, I wish
they really believed it:
http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=reviews/ius-mba-program
--
"The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute
for wit." ~ W. Somerset Maugham
"The ability to Google can be a serviceable
substitute for technical knowledge." ~ Adrian D.
Crenshaw
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| Gress, Robin R <rgress(-at-)iu.edu>
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Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:51
AM |
|
To: Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
Cc: "Gress, Robin R" <rgress(-at-)iu.edu>, "Eberle, Debra A"
<deberle(-at-)ius.edu>
|
Dear Mr. Crenshaw,
Trustee William Cast, chair of the
board, has asked me to thank you for
providing him and his fellow trustees
with this information. He has also
asked me to refer this issue back to the
chancellor, which I am doing by copy of
this email.
Sincerely,
Robin Gress
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Robin Roy Gress
Secretary of the Board of Trustees
Indiana University
Indiana Memorial Union
Suite M005
900 E. 7th St.
Bloomington, IN 47405
Tel:
812-855-6783
Cell:
812-325-3602
mailto:rgress(-at-)iu.edu
http://www.indiana.edu/~trustees
http://www.indiana.edu/~ceremony
http://www.commencement.iu.edu
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:58
AM |
|
To: "Gress, Robin R" <rgress(-at-)iu.edu>
Cc: "Eberle, Debra A" <deberle(-at-)ius.edu>
|
Thanks for the reply.
Adrian |
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|
Not that it was
particularly meaningful, I'm unsure why they bother to keep sending the same
copy and paste:
FW: Quote on student rights
2 messages
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| Patterson-Randles, Sandra R.
<srpr(-at-)ius.edu> |
Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at
4:35 PM |
|
To: "irongeek(-at-)gmail.com" <irongeek(-at-)gmail.com>
|
Dear Mr. Crenshaw:
We understand that you received
a full response regarding your
grievance and related concerns
from the Office of the Vice
President and General Counsel on
June 6 and 7 of 2012.
Accordingly, we consider the
matter closed. Please direct
all future communication
regarding this or related
matters to the Office of the
Vice President and General
Counsel.
Thank you.
Sandra Patterson-Randles
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| Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek(-at-)irongeek.com>
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Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at
5:17 PM |
|
To: "Patterson-Randles, Sandra R." <srpr(-at-)ius.edu>,
william.cast.md(-at-)gmail.com, pshoulders(-at-)zsws.com,
marybishop(-at-)cgglawfirm.com, bdot(-at-)indiana.edu, peskew(-at-)indiana.edu,
cjgriffi(-at-)iupui.edu, tomreillyjr(-at-)hotmail.com, ricedw(-at-)indiana.edu,
william.strong(-at-)morganstanley.com, rgress(-at-)iu.edu,
horizon(-at-)ius.edu, SE Student Government Association <SGAweb(-at-)ius.edu>
|
Hello
Sandra,
Obviously, if you had bothered to read
about the problems, you would know that "the
Office of the Vice President and General
Counsel":
1. Does not respond anymore, at least not to
questions as simple as "who is on the Graduate
Policies Committee".
2. That I have received the copy and paste
response before, and ignore it as while it may
be relevant to you, it is a brushoff that is
irrelevant to my goals. Why even bother to send
it?
3. They could not implement changes at IUS to
fix the problems. Their job is largely to keep
IU out of legal trouble, not respect student
rights or set policy at this sort of level. I'm
not even asking for that much, just that IUS
have grievance policies with details like IU
does, not just a flowchart that can be
interpreted away those in charge like.
4. Their response was not full. For example,
when I point out the counter evidence to a
dean's claims, it is ignored.
I'm not sure what else to say that I've not said
before, no one seems to care about these sort of
issues except me. If you are going to reply with
a form letter, you might as well not respond at
all, it saves everyone time.
Adrian |
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|
Seems like everyone
likes to pass the buck.
Change Log:
I've made many little changes over time, but I figured I should record some
of them
here:
07/10/2012: I added the line:
"I did not choose "to bring over a signed copy of the
grievance on the 6th anyway so that we would have a signed copy on
file", I brought over the signed copy so the grievance process would continue,
as you said I would need to do, I never accepted your informal resolution as you
seem to be trying to say."
to the article to point out Jay's "misinterpretation" (most polite word I can
think of to call it) of events.
07/15/2012: Add this to point 17:
"When
I got my file, my version of events was not in it. This is further evidence that
they just don't care about what a student says, only listening to the
professors' skewed side. It's also technically a FERPA violation as I outline
towards the bottom of this page, but for what I have seen FERPA has no teeth as
the FPCO is unresponsive to student complaints and inquiries. Strangely,
though my version of events was not in my file, a print out of the garbled Oncourse post I made because of copying and pasting from MS Word was. Why? Did
they think it was an XSS attack or something? It just seems so silly."
I also changed the word
retribution to retaliation as it better captures what I was trying to say, and
fixed some typos.
07/17/2012:
I expanded the line:
Jay saying "Once the instructor communicated to Mr. Crenshaw that he needed
to stay on topic and bring in relevant business examples Mr. Crenshaw replied by
saying his student rights were violated." is an over simplification that
boarders on being an outright lie.
to:
Jay saying "Once the instructor communicated to Mr. Crenshaw that he needed
to stay on topic and bring in relevant business examples Mr. Crenshaw replied by
saying his student rights were violated." is an over simplification
to the point of being an outright lie. I did not start complaining about my rights being
violated until I got the attack/complaint memo, which was not phrased as
constructive communication and effectively told me I had failed the class
without warning. Even then, I did not file the grievance until I got back an F
on the exam, which they seem afraid to even let me have a copy of. This quote is
another example of Jay using a straw man argument (he does a lot of that). Also,
the instructor did not communicate to me that I needed to "stay on topic and bring in relevant business examples",
she passive aggressively held on to it until the meeting to tell me, and my
examples were on topic and at least as business related as other items in the
book and that were mentioned in class.
I also expanded out a section to read:
(Student Comments: I never said they
did not have a right to disagree. Also, what does "outliers or risky
subjects" have to do with it, don't they have a right to disagree regardless?
And who decides what is an outlier or risky subject?)
Furthermore when the
instructor has indicated that it's time to move on, a wise person
would move on. (Student Comments: What an
insulting way to put it, and she never clearly said to move on as I
have stated elsewhere such as in my grievance. So
much for listening to both sides.)
and added the line:
In addition, your choice of words, "if we
chose to pursue it" instead of "they", shows you were already taking sides and
not being impartial.
07/18/2012:
Added this note to a section above which I had written before I got the open
records request back:
"[Subnote: I found out later because of the open records request that he did
compare mine to another student's himself, but I still question him as being an
unbiased judge and would like to know how they chose who to compare mine to. If
there was a real qualitative difference, why not let me have a copy of my
exam?]"
Just want to be more fair
to others than they were to me.
07/19/2012:
Added Asking who
is on the "Graduate Policies Committee" section.
07/20/2012:
Added a new email to/from Gil to the
Asking who
is on the "Graduate Policies Committee" section.
07/23/2012:
Added a bit more to the email conversation with Gil to the
Asking who
is on the "Graduate Policies Committee" section.
07/26/2012:
Added some of an email thread with Jay to the
Asking who
is on the "Graduate Policies Committee" section. I also tacked on
a bit at the end about campus police visiting my site.
07/30/2012:
Added a blurb to the 2nd paragraph of this page pointing out that IUS has
dropped
to 73rd in the Business Week part-time MBA rankings. That's quite a bit behind
University of Louisville at 35.
08/24/2012:
Added line:
In addition, what good is feedback that comes
too late for a student to do anything about it? The "advising meeting" was not
useful feedback that a student could act on and essentially told me I had
already failed the class, the exam feedback was illegibly (which you did not let
me see again to decipher) and I'm not sure what thread replies you are referring
to (he may be confusing terms again and referring to email).
09/05/2012:
Added lines:
Basically they deliberately bypassed the rights I had
to a fair hearing as outlined in policy by making it "informal ", yet
were still able to penalize me by giving me a 0 in participation. Given this,
why would a professor with a grudge ever choose to do things formally? If Jay
thinks the complaints against me from the memo were guidance, then why does he call them "charges" in his email to me?
(edited some more on 09/09/2012)
and
(Student Comments: I think it is obvious why I wanted
an electronic version, so it could easily be duplicated for comment and to show
others. It's also interesting that the IU lawyers decided to send me scanned
PDFs of printed emails rather than a more search engine/Internet friendly
format.)
and
(Student Comments: The grievance policy is meant in
part to protect student rights, by calling the meeting unofficial you bypass
those rights (like me having a witness and being able to prepare a defense) but
can still penalize the student. More comments on this subject and how they like
to wiggle out of respecting student rights are above.)
09/09/2012:
Added point 18 to the Timeline section.
09/16/2012:
Rewrote/expanded section 18
in the Timeline.
10/11/2012:
Expanded point 3 in the
Timeline section to show that Linda Christiansen had the chance to communicate
that there was a problem, but chose not to.
10/29/2012:
Added some more exchanges with Jay to the
Asking who
is on the "Graduate Policies Committee" section.
11/21/2012:
I updated the FERPA section a bit. The major addition was this:
Getting the FPCO to listen is another matter however.
Apparently the right to even have your side put in the record has exceptions. To
quote from their site, first they say "If, as a result of the hearing, the
school still decides not to amend the record, the eligible student has the right
to insert a statement in the record setting forth his or her views" but
later put in exceptions "Thus, while FERPA affords eligible students the right
to seek to amend education records which contain inaccurate information, this
right cannot be used to challenge a grade or an individual's opinion, or a
substantive decision made by a school about a student." Wait, so I can't put my
side in if the record I have a problem with involves a grade, opinion, or
substantive decision (which could possibly mean anything)? So, when would a
student ever be allowed to put their side in? Everything I can think of where a
school would want to not change a record falls into those categories, so when
does a student ever get a chance to have their side of events put into the
record as well?
12/12/2012:
Edited a sentence to clarify where Jay was not telling the truth (again):
He states
"After a lengthy meeting with Mr. Crenshaw, he indicated to me a
desire for a course substitution which I did not grant."
and "In any event, since I did not feel that his rights were violated
I did not grant a waiver for this course or permission to take it elsewhere."
These statements by Jay are falsehoods,
he never gave final word, just said the class substitution decision would have to wait until
after the grievance
process was over (which he never let happen by just dropping the matter), only
saying he did not think my situation would apply (see the quote from him above
on the matter). Also, I requested the course substitution before the meeting,
not after. Glad I had a witness at the meeting who can corroborate these things.
12/18/2012:
I expanded out points 7 and 10 in the timeline a bit. As a side note,
inspired by Jay White's silly notion that just because something is time stamped the
contents can not be lies (the time when something is written or said does not define the
truth of the statements in the words or speech) I looked at the timestamps from his "investigation" notes.
This is what I found in the Word document's metadata:
Notes on review of Adrian Crenshaw grievance against Linda Christiansen.docx
Content Created: 11/04/2009 10:03AM
Content last saved: 11/4/2009 3:12PM
So, did he do all his investigation in one day? He also said he did his
interviews with my witnesses that same day (November 4th), so considering the
amount of time he seems to have spent on researching my side and writing his
notes I doubt much real thought was put into it (metadata says 4 revisions). How does he consider this a thorough
investigation? He had not even had a meeting with me yet. It seems to me as if
the document was something he wrote as a justification just to back Jon
Bingham's and Linda Christiansen's side of the story, and that his "investigation"
was only going through the motions of a real investigation.
12/26/2012:
Prepping up to talk to the SGA next semester, I added the section "Talking
with the IUS SGA about improving the IU Southeast grievance procedures". I
also decided to add an ordered list after one of
the more recent exchanges with
Jay White to point out that evidence for my claims has been provided, but he chooses to
ignore it.
02/04/2013:
Added section
Received a message from IU Southeast Chancellor Sandra R. Patterson-Randles.
05/04/2013:
Had to update the line above about being a straight A student in Informatics.
In my final class I only made a B. Just wanted to have more integrity than Jay
White, Jon Bingham, Linda Christiansen, Gil Atnip, and Sandra R. Patterson-Randles.
The IUS MBA program still boasted about being the 9th rated part time MBA from
the Business Week ratings in 2009, forgetting to mention they had fallen to 74th
since then (I have to question the metrics they used in the first place).
09/07/2013:
Someone pointed out a reference to a letter on September 20 that does not exist
on this page, that is because of a typo by Jay White, so I added the line "By
the way, I need to point out that Jay White's reference to the "September 20
letter" is a typo, it was September 30th (lest someone think that I got a
warning before the 30th)."
11/10/2013:
Looks like IUS got back up to
42 on Business Week's part-time MBA rankings some how (they were at 73). Do a
search for Business Week's methodologies and you will find some interesting
criticisms. Seems a lot of the schools have huge swings from year to year as to
where they are on the rankings. The University of Louisville did not get a new
ranking this year, I assume they did not submit enough of the student surveys or
some other type of paperwork was missing? UofL's metrics still appear to
be higher (and more selective). I had to change the 2nd paragraph to reflect
this.
12/02/2013:
Added a few lines of commentary
bellow a letter above, and changed some of the wording in
the next paragraph for tense. I also posted this about "Linda's" syllabus:
Critically Plagiarizing?: Ideas On Spotting Plagiarism
What can I say, I'm a "Zealot", especially if you define that to mean holding
people to certain standards of honesty and integrity in what higher education is
becoming, and wanting to keep others from having to go through the same things I
did. Some people should be shamed into better behavior, then again, some people
have no sense of shame or self reflection.
12/07/2013:
Added the comment:
"Funny that Jay White says my grade is because of my performance, but is afraid
to even let a 3rd party see the test with me (is that why he dropped the ball
and never let it happen?)."
12/26/2013:
I recently heard that IU Southeast is planning to offer an MIS (Management
Information Systems) Masters degree. While I think their Computer Science and
Informatics Schools seem good, since the degree would be co-ran by the School of
Business I would not recommend it to anyone in the Louisville area under its
current leadership. Anyplace where an
IU
Southeast Business Law & Ethics instructor appears to plagiarize on her own
syllabus that warns that students will be instantly failed for plagiarism,
and asking simple questions about laws as it relates to technology is considered
"excessive us of jargon", is not a good place for IT people (and especially
security people concerned with integrity) to be. While the School of Business at
IUS has its current leadership, I strongly recommend that you steer clear if you
really want to learn. Just figured I'd help others not go through the same
things I did there.
01/04/2014:
Added to a section above:
Shortly after I posted the Twitter
quote, it looks like Jay White deleted it (some people don't stand behind their
words). If Alan Jay White understood logic or reason, why would he say something
as logically asinine as "My cut and paste response below
is all that is left as there has been no new information provided since your
original contact". What "new
information" besides the name of the committee I'm trying to find the members
of would I possibly need to provide for him to be able to give me the list of
names?
01/24/2014:
Added this line to two sections to show Jay White's weird interpretation of
policy:
The dean excuses Linda Christiansen and Jon Bingham of not following policy
because their actions were not an "official grievance" against me, but when I
looked at the policy last, the only time the word grievance appears is in
reference to a student filing a grievance against someone at the university, not
a faculty member filing against a student. It is very clear from the policy that
those rules are to be followed for any "disciplinary" action of this sort
against a student, but it seems like Jay White feels he can rewrite them when
the policy is inconvenient for him.
03/10/2014:
Fixed a typo and added the lines:
"(Unless he is not referring to the classroom but instead referring to the attack memo from Sept. 30th, in which case it
came too late to do any good, was vague & petty, and what "directions" did I
supposedly not follow from it? Maybe an implied direction was not to file a
grievance because of Linda Christiansen's bad behavior?)"
and
"Anyone like Jay White who uses straw man arguments and excuses like calling
something unofficial so as to bypass official policies in place to protect
students clearly has little idea as to what logic or reason are."
Also update
Critically Plagiarizing?: Ideas On Spotting Plagiarism article with the
response from IU (or lack of a response).
05/22/2014:
Added an addendum about the answers I got from
Jennifer Westerhaus Adams to the 4
questions at the beginning of this review.
05/24/2016:
Looks like Jay White has had some legal trouble:
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/indiana/2016/05/23/ius-business-dean-arrested-drug-charges/84777534/
10/04/2016:
Looks like Alan Jay White is like a dumber, low
rent version of Walter White. More drug charges:
http://www.newsandtribune.com/news/ius-business-professor-faces-more-drug-charges/article_689c9d6c-89ac-11e6-8835-270e364dd2d9.html
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/indiana/2016/10/04/ius-business-dean-arrested-again/91536724/
